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(March 2005)

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TE
Telefis
That's cause they've nothing to slash Smile

But yes the break has been shortening on the September side - it used to be the case that the slashed period would extend from mid-July through till mid-Sept to coincide with the new autumn schedule, but mid August now seems to be the new starting point.

Agreed for the need to accentuate the positive - particularly the graphics, a really elegant look, including the moving lines as mentioned behind sports graphics etc. Perhaps the opening graphics go on for a bit long with nothing exactly happening visully, but at least the fine music largely makes up for that.

Also note that news directors have finally copped on to what that sticky-up metal bar does on the gallery desk, i.e. dissolves have at last become commonplace at the beginning and end of many reports, something virtually unheard of even 18 months ago - no doubt another belated influence from British television. They haven't introduced the fast half-second dissolve yet though - due to arrive in 2007 Smile

Bryan Dobson is still the best male newsreader, followed by Anthony Murnane as close second on proper bulletins on RTÉ One - he turns into a gibbering eejit on Two. He ought to be used more for mainstream bulletins as he's very good.
On the female side Una O'Hagan is truly superb, a newsreader of many fine qualities. Doyle I suppose has to come second - she's dodgy on a lot of counts, notably cues, but you can't but like her as being one of the old school and that fantastic voice Smile

Ní Bheoláin's voice on the othr hand gets on my nerves have to say, and she's way too earnest when asking questions etc (and useless in making them seem unscripted), but agreed is doing well on Six One thus far.
Can't agree about Eilenn Wheelan though - she's way too rigid, self conscious and her overall demeanour is that of a person with a pole shoved up their.... Smile. Excellent journalist though.

Also picture resolution from the studio is really outstanding - who needs HD when you've this?!
RTÉ News' coverage of Europe is excellent, both in terms of the amount and their journalist of international excellence Seán Wheelan - he could work for the BBC he's that good Smile.

But really the big letdown of RTÉ News are its reports' presentation - it is just abominable. They are shoddily produced piles of rubbish for the most part - V/Os with any old pictures thrown down on top. It is simply unacceptable in 2005.

By far the worst culprit is Joe O'Brien Agriculture Correspondent/Defence Corr. His reports are just ghastly - they tell you nothing, they show you nothing, and are humdrum pieces of student media rubbish tossed together to fullfill the story brief. His camera deliverance is also woeful.
And s mentioned before, Paul Cunningham Environment Corr is little better as for whatever reason many of his reports are edited down to a 'highlights' version for the Nine, often making sketchy information barely even comprehensible.

Way too often the very medium RTÉ Television News operates in shoots itself in the foot it's that bad - i.e. the crappy irrelvant pictures they toss over voiceovers are often so distracting as to make the story difficult to even understand, whatever about the woeful audio levels actually drowning out the voiceovers!

But I think what perfectly sums up RTÉ News' appalling disregard for the visual medium it operates in is its tribunal coverage. For the best part of a decade now RTÉ have been covering tribunals based at Dublin Castle (whatever about the many others), and exactly what methods have they come up with to convey these long-running and reported-on-daily sagas? Absolutely nothing . Nothing at all.
For the past ten years the national broadcaster have used nothing but images of people walking in and walking out and in and out of the tribunal locations, and shots of the Upper Yard & Bedford Tower of Dublin Castle. Non-stop.

You'd think that the Director of News somewhere in the past decade (Ed Mulhall having been here for 8 of those) would have sat down with a couple of news directors and worked out a plan. You'd think that standard graphic packages would have been put together, that the possibility of some reconstructions would be considered, that other inventive visual means would have been conjured up.

But no - absolutely nothing, not even for the most high-profile of modules. Do you think the BBC would have gotton away with this sort of crap for ten years?! Appallingly chucked together reports from the likes of John Kilrane that not even a wannabe journalist in a Transition Year class would dare churn out?
How is the viewer even supposed to even understand what is being said over shoddy images of people and minders rushing about the place getting into cars, coming down steps, media scrums, journalists getting in the way, doors being closed ete etc etc, and precise tribunal deliverances being read over this!!!
It really beggars belief.

It is television news at its very worst, and it sums up RTÉ's news reports to a tee; a blatent lack of understanding of the medium being used. Most of it's stuff is visual radio.
And this is not how things have to be with television news anymore - not by a long shot.
EO
eoin
Not trying to be bitchy Telefis (I actually agree with you), but I love how you started off trying to be positive and then it all went a bit wrong...
MU
murf1000
ABC Australia posted:
It's just as bad here in Australia


But its not Summer there now.
EO
eoin
murf1000 posted:
ABC Australia posted:
It's just as bad here in Australia


But its not Summer there now.


You know what he means.
TE
Telefis
Very Happy

Yes Pickle, things went a bit off the wall all right. Just I find it irritating when all we ever get in the media is praise of RTÉ News' regional clout and impeccable journalistic credentials, while the other side, i.e. presentation, is completely ignored.

Perfectly reflected I think when Charlie Bird gets hold of a major investigative story - in subsequent days all focus is on how wonderful RTÉ News is etc etc, yet the presentation of these stories is usually even worse than standard stories! Usually they're thrown together as quickly as possible with any old library footage, often utterly irrelevant to the V/O, with Charlie shouting his way through the report at 110db.
His camera deliverance is equally woeful and overall his reports are some of the worst the station churns out.
Then he comes into studio with some crappy old shirt and tie on, appalling lit with shadows on the wall behind him, a big poley microphone in shot, Anne Doyle reading her questions to him off her notes, and Charlie leaning on the end of the crappy desk making it creak under the weight!

With the National Aquatic Centre story last week, the 'interview' took place after the break, and like clockwork all the usual clunky presentation moves rolled into action - the worst being the wide shot returning from the break and as usual Charlie was sitting at the far end of the desk like a gobdaw despite him not being needed until after the first report! And on a previous occasions on Six One & Nine I have seen the guest's chair flung out infront of the monitor unit in the closing wide, just left there after guest has finished!
Nobody even bothered to take it out of shot or roll it under the desk!

It's stuff like this that makes my blood boil (clearly Very Happy), especially when praise is heaped on RTÉ for these very same stories of abominable production values.
AB
ABC Australia
I case you DON"T know what i mean is that during the non ratings season (Start of december to the start of feburary), especially during the public holidays, our news bulletins can be slashed. Some commercial regional bulletins from Prime and WIN TV (and to a very lesser extent Southern Cross Ten) will not run on public holidays or in some cases wont run at all. In Sydney our main bulletins (ABC News at 7pm, 7 News at 6, National Nine News at 6 and Ten News at 5) will be running normally, but sometimes our national morning or late news won't run.
RD
rdd Founding member
Ah. In Ireland and Great Britain, its' standard practice for bulittens not to go out for their usual lenght on public holidays (what we call bank holidays, usually Mondays). They tend to more resemble a Saturday schedule. So on RTÉ, on a bank holiday, there will be no One, and the Six-One will be 25 minutes long (and half devoted to sport). The Nine runs as normal, and there's no News on 2 (late bulitten on RTE Two). This happens even for the bank holidays in season (such as the October bank holiday). On TV3 there's normally only one single 5:30pm bulitten on those days, which may not even run 25 minutes.
TE
Telefis
Indeed very often the Nine bulletin is also curtailed to 25 minutes on bank/public holidays, with an American big-gun film on afterwards - similar to some Sunday nights.

As he does the lunchtime shift, John Finnerty was caught up in the London coverage for the whole day up till Six One on Thursday, and did quite well all considering, even if the director seemed to be conducting him like a puppet via his earpiece for most of it Smile
I cannot see McGrianna or Ní Bheoláin or Wheelan or maybe even Doyle handling it as well.
Finnerty wasn't fantastic but he got by - at times there were embarrassing silences as he struggled to come up with questions to ask etc.

The problem RTÉ had was that Dobson was in Edinburgh for the G8 so couldn't be draughted in to take over after One as usually happens.
I suspect were Una O'Hagan not on holiday she would've been brought in to get them through the afternoon - notable that Ni Bheolain filling her place on Six One was not called upon, with Finnerty being retained.
Perhaps given the complex nature of Six One that evening, a greater level of pre-production on her part was needed before going on air.

Bryan flew down to London during the day to be set up for Six One outside the Palace of Westminster in a favourite BBC & ITV location, while Sharon presented from Dublin as usual. As said on the London thread, London Editor Brian O'Connell (very good) was also there to help things along:

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RTÉ relied very heavily during the day on the images streaming from BBC News 24 - a standard practice, but they didn't get a clean feed resulting in every single BBC banner, graphic and aston being present on screen, a ludicrous state of affairs - one might as well have been watching News 24 at times.

At least the feed was 4:3, not 14:9 or 16:9 which was something at least.
PH
Phen
Yes RTÉ's coverage of Thursday's events was indeed quite extensive. It was also an opportunity to see some rare and interesting graphics on RTÉ News.
They appeared to use a ticker from time to time which is very rarely seen on RTÉ News. I liked the way it peeked up from the bottom of the screen and it was a nice deep blue colour just like the business ticker. It also scrolled very quickly in comparison to N24's and Sky's. This was good though because I find a slow ticker can be very irritating when you're trying to read it.
They also made extensive use of dissolves between newsroom cameras/graphics/reports during their coverage which has become a relatively new habit with RTÉ. A few times they used a nice graphic with a large screen showing footage from London and a small screen protruding out over it showing the newsroom goings-on.
At times, you could sense the "what do I do now?" feeling from John Finnerty and it was obvious in places that he was making it all up himself as he went along but as Teilifís said, he did do a good job and the regular breaks to talk to the in-studio guests and reporters were quite refreshing.
While watching their coverage, it felt something like watching an RTÉ 24-hour news channel. Speaking of which, does anybody know of any plans in the pipeline for such a service in the near or not-so-near future?
TE
Telefis
RTÉ are keeping quiet over this one - the only official line coming from them is that the original digital plans have been 'scaled down', are 'under review', and they 'hope to have some details shortly'.

Yes fully agreed about the ticker - really nice blue and white text, very elegant and streamlined. The only time we ever get to see it is during the financial news on Six One.
Not sure about the split screen though - the acres of plain blue was a bit much on screen, and the big banner white text beneath like 'LONDON BOMBING' or whatever was rather crass I thought. It was better than usual though as last week with the opening of the M50 they did the same split screen, only the big 'M50' didn't even acknowledge the safe area with the bottom cut off! Rolling Eyes

Personally I'm not a fan of any split screens with the exception of the standard (and momentary) 'STUDIO - BRUSSELS' sort of two-shot which always works very well. Otherwise with split screens that are up for ages, all the viewer gets is a dilution of both images making both almost unwatchable. This is usually negated to an extent with interesting moving graphics framing the shots, but with RTÉ it's as boring as anything and too harsh with all that blue.
Save the odd quick two-shot, I'd abolish all split screens on all news channels - a silly distraction I think...

Otherwise RTÉ presentation-wise went quite well, as Phen says the dissolves worked very well, especially leading in and out of breaks into the MCU of presenter. Now why weren't these brought in 5 years ago?! Smile

One very poor element though, and I don't want to chuck another negative point in, but really the vision mixing between contributors in studio was appalling - so so slow, often with long lingering shots of Finnerty after the guest started speaking, so much so that Finnerty was caught loads of times glancing away thinking he was out of shot - one time alone he glanced back no less than three times waiting to be off-air!

Also camera framing was very dodgy - it took half an hour before Roisín Duffy in studio was properly framed - we were looking at her cheek for the first half. Likewise many of John's shots were of the side of his head for much of the programme up till One. I mean they've 5 cameras to play around with!

Still, they got by alright overall - one wonders at this stage exactly how many people in Ireland are dependent solely on RTÉ News. Considering 70-75% have access to BBC 1 alone, I'd guess not very many!

I'd like to see an RTÉ News Channel though - it could have a mix of news, current affairs, coverage of the House of the Oireachtas & Committees, and links to News 24 for extra content like short documentaries and global reviews.
And most importantly, It'd force them to pull their socks up in the presentation department!
RJ
Russell James
just while you speak of RTE taking feeds from BBC.

during the school bus crash in meath a while back, the BBC took a report in full with a differnt reportere talkin from rte.

http://thetvroom.com/images-bbc-strike/images-23-05-2005/ten-1f.jpg
THE TV ROOM

that was during the strike btw!
RD
rdd Founding member
One incarnation of RTÉ's digital plans had an outline plan for a news/sport channel - it would be a news channel during the week and a sports channel at weekends. A sort of TV version of BBC Radio 5 Live, maybe. There hasn't been any announcement on any new channel plans from RTÉ in about, oh, maybe three years, so what they plan now (if anything) is anyones guess.

There's an internal parliamentary television system in Lenister house that pipes Dail and Seanad procedings around the place (to TDs offices, and, er, the visitor's bar). Taking that feed and package it and you have a very cheapily run Parliamentary Channel. And it would make the politicans happy...

Tenders went out during the week for a DTT trial system from Three Rock and Clemont Cairn, incidently. I think the Government has been talking about this for oh, seven or eight years at this stage... Maybe sometime in the next century there will be DTT...

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