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(March 2005)

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PH
phoenixrises
Telefís posted:
Ah yes - forgot about they running the full summer last year! Still thought it was just reduced to half an hour for two weeks or so!

I still presume that Ní Bheoláin's presence is only temporary as indicated by a contributor way back on this thread upon Una leaving, citing 'personal reasons' for her leaving and that she'd be back soon.
And going by RTÉ itself, I cannot see Ní Bheoláin getting in permanently on Six One above Eileen Dunne, or indeed others. Her rise has been uncharacteristically meteoric for the Newsroom, suggesting she's still temporary.
Wouldn't it be wonderful to see Bryan and Una returning after the summer, and a brand new look surrounding them Smile

I think Ní Bheoláin is an excellent television presenter, and very versatile, but not a very good newsreader. She's not bad mind, but there's better out there than her. Some of her faults would be:
Over-earnest shouty interviews to convey the impression that she knows what she's talking about.
Placing emphasis in the wrong places when reading.
Constantly moving about, complicating camera operation and picture composition, drawing attention away from the story, and breaking the 'newsy look' illusion when moving by drawing attention to the difference between the picture window and the 'real life' studio setting.
Her looking down at her papers or at the other newsreader when they are speaking in a two-shot. You should always look at the camera in these shots when not speaking - anything else is distracting away from the speaker's content. Una always did this perfectly.
Her unstable and mildly grating voice.
Her attention-grabbing choice of clothing.
Her disparity in age to male colleagues on Six One.

I'd say her good points would be:
Her competent questioning.
Her overall confident handling of bulletins.
Her excellent pronunciation.
Her neutral accent.
Her good looks.
Her undeniable personability.

I wonder if the revamp will herald any changes to bulletin formats?
Above all in the format stakes I'd like to see longer reports, or at the very least the option for longer reports to be made. Particularly on broader global, economic and environmental matters that require in-depth attention. Topics like Europe, Third World coverage by RTÉ reporters which at present is incredibly tokenistic by the likes of Joe O'Brien and his 90 second rubbish, energy, and business. The time simply isn't there for excellent people like Emma O'Kelly, Seán Wheelan, Margaret Ward and Tony Connolly to get in-depth in their reporting. Paul Cunningham on Environment is also hugely constrained.
And this all in the context of there not even being a 'Close Up' report on Six One anymore.
Above all, time allocation must change in September (after the set of course Smile)


I really hate to say this, but when it comes to women news presenters, the younger they are, the better. It is just a normal social matter. You hardly see old female news presenters (don't count Barbara Walters, she's an exception, not the norm) on any news channels. At some point, they depart. Una is simply too old. Sharon is ready, I believe to take over the position permanently.

I understand that there are people here who will not agree with what I say (and I believe I can safely say what I am saying right because of a wide moat we call the Atlantic Ocean), but Una is really getting up there as far as age is concerned, at least from the looks of it. Sharon, while she is not a great great presenter when stacked up to others, should be given a chance. Do remember that experience is earned through pains, not taught in school. If you don't give a person time, they will never learn from the pains, and become better.

In conclusion, please, give Sharon a chance, and let Una and the others age gracefully.
DI
diarmydotnet
IMO, Sharon is just not ready yet. As Teilifís mentioned, her voice is above all the most annoying factor when considering her permancy on the 6.01 news. She's just too montonous and sharp, she really needs to go working with the BBC on a sabbatical for a while, just to smarten her up. And her wardrobe seriously needs to be looked at and toned down to suit the studio and her co-anchor. Other than that, she could stay, unless someone more appropriate steps in. I agree that Una is too old for it now, and she is devoid of emotion when delivering the news which is not a good thing when most of the nation tunes in to hear and see what happened during the day.

I agree with Teilifís again with the coverage of environmental stuff like energy, planning, etc. RTÉ seems to be putting too much emphasis on crime, rape, murder and all that waffle that comes out of Cathy Halloran's mouth from her usual 5 or six spots near the Luas at the Four Courts. It's too depressing and is actually contributing to negative public opinions. Almost every night there's at least 2 stories from the courts. It's appauling.

Also, the international reporting isn't up to scratch. I know most Irish people don't particularly want to see problems in Asia over problems at home, but we're in the 21st century now and global news is a fact of life. You could even equate RTÉ to Fox News in terms of their unwillingness to look beyond their borders.

David McCullogh should be sacked for his reports. I get the feeling it's the Corresspondant who directs the camera and shooting of reports, and David's are appauling (cue the sideways shot looking up at his face from a few weeks back). David Davin-Power on the other hand is emotive and knowledgeable (a bit like Ursula Halligan on TV3). Emma O'Kelly is excellent but she's really in the wrong field and should be doing more environmental stuff as flip all actually happens in education.

Kieran Malooooooooley is another crass reporter. It's probably hard to find someone more boring and useless, but luckily nothing much happens in the midlands. David Byrne is my particular hate at the moment... too much D4 in that chap.

Overall, I think the general day-to-day viewer is confused at who reports what. It seems that RTÉ have loads of cover-reporters for certain things. If the BBC have a political story, it's usually Robinson who does it, wheras here it could be McCullogh, Davin-Power or that rotten thing Ingrid Miley. It's just wierd! And where has Jim Fahy been lately!?!?! Plenty of stuff happening here lately in the West!

But getting back to my original point, Sharon Version 2.0 (polished off by the BBC or someone) should stay. John Finnerty is still my preference for 6.01, sorry but I find him vastly superiour to Dobbo.

One last thing, why the hell do RTÉ bother with News On Two!? Why the hell should our license fees be paying two sets of newscasters when it's obvious to dogs on the street that they're using the same graphics, VTs and studios?! (Albeit in different positions!!!)

diarmy
PH
Phen
I'll have to agree with channel2tv. She's here now (for almost a year I might add) and she might as well stay. But I wouldn't be so quick to get rid of Úna. Unlike Dunne or Dolye (especially), time has been good to Úna and she still is a fantastic newsreader but I feel Ní Bheoláin has settled into the 6.01 and by now has surely been 'accepted' by viewers as a permanent newsreader on the 6.01. I'd put Úna on the nine before Doyle or Dunne any day. Ní Bheoláin would surely iron out the problems and sand down the rough corners mentioned above if she was given more time - as channel2tv said - where else will she get the experience necessary to present the flagship news bulletin?

She looks fantastic here: (she got the outfit right today!)
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/pvr014.jpg

Surely she's the best looking newsreader to ever set foot in Studio 3! (Better than the BBC's Nasty Kaplinsky IMO.)

In short - leave good enough alone in the 6.01 but get Doyle out out out out out out out and get Úna on the nine.

EDIT: I see today that RTÉ has had a tidy surplus in 2005 of about €16 million (with their new accounting system) and €9 million (with their old one...don't ask me how they could have 2 different figures for the surplus!!) but either way now they have no excuse for giving us another cheap quick-job set in September.
Apart from the new news set, how do people think the surplus should be spent? Rolling out the DTT network perhaps or should they continue to plough money into home-produced programming and major series' such as Desperate Housewives and Lost? Personally, I'd like them to make every effort to get DTT up and running ASAP. That should be their #1 priority IMO.
DI
diarmydotnet
Phen, I love that sig.... fierce clever work! good job! Cool
TE
Telefis
To be honest I’m quite appalled channel2tv and diarmy at your assertions that Una is ‘too old’ for the job. How about you go down to the kitchen now or pick up the phone to your mothers and tell them to stop working, or not to show their face in public again, such an embarrassment they clearly are to you at their age.
I mean come on! Una’s pretty much the same age as Dobson and Finnerty, and younger than Hammond, Doyle and probably Dunne too. Whatever are you talking about?!
Similarly in the UK there’s a plethora of newsreaders far older than Una.And even if there wasn’t – so what?! I appreciate you may have intended to say that RTÉ News needs a younger, or even just less frumpy image, with which I would concur, but to say that anyone be ditched on the basis of their age or not looking good enough for your bedroom wall is claptrap – especially when said about someone who’s barely even tipping 50!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/RTE1TV/Una.jpg


However I would concede that Una is too straightlaced and lacking in personability for her own good. The sterile, emotionless deliverance is way out of date – even by Anna Ford’s standards. She’s so cold in fact that, like Doyle, when reaching the end of a sentence it goes out on a completely flat level with the expectation of the VT coming in to pick up the lingering last word – i.e. there’s no rounded, completed link that stands on its own with interesting semi-conversational inflections, independent of the up-coming report. It’s a dangerous game with RTÉ News, as if the report doesn’t kick in on time, that type of raised eyebrow deliverance is particularly prone to making the newsreader look like an eejit Smile

However I do think that Una works exceptionally well alongside Dobson, as her formality sits perfectly with his more conversational style. Their ages are also ideally matched, and they are both equally competent in handling bulletins as well as interviews. Well, obviously Dobson more so, but Una is amongst the best that RTÉ has in this regard. They just work perfectly as a team; they’re naturally suited to host the broadcaster’s principal news bulletin – the ideal face for RTÉ I think.

Above all with Sharon, it’s really just her tokenistic use that annoys me. Anyone I’ve watched Six One with since just constantly comments on her, on her appearance, on her other work, on her clothes, on her hair, and the odd error she makes. She’s way too much baggage in my view to be a principal newscaster. And yes, as mentioned you do have to garner experience somewhere, but she could do this on weekend bulletins and the other conventional shifts – Six One ought not be used as a training ground!!!
Sure look at her in Phen’s pic there – that typical earnest leaning-forward routine. No no no!!! Very Happy

Agreed rdd regardng formats - nothing is broken in this respect bar a major review of News on Two, which ought to be partially made into a review programme I think, with tomorrow's papers etc. However I do think the principal RTÉ branding ought to be retained - just the bulletin be given a dedicated 23.00 slot.
PH
phoenixrises
Telefís posted:
To be honest I’m quite appalled channel2tv and diarmy at your assertions that Una is ‘too old’ for the job. How about you go down to the kitchen now or pick up the phone to your mothers and tell them to stop working, or not to show their face in public again, such an embarrassment they clearly are to you at their age.
I mean come on! Una’s pretty much the same age as Dobson and Finnerty, and younger than Hammond, Doyle and probably Dunne too. Whatever are you talking about?!
Similarly in the UK there’s a plethora of newsreaders far older than Una.And even if there wasn’t – so what?! I appreciate you may have intended to say that RTÉ News needs a younger, or even just less frumpy image, with which I would concur, but to say that anyone be ditched on the basis of their age or not looking good enough for your bedroom wall is claptrap – especially when said about someone who’s barely even tipping 50!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/RTE1TV/Una.jpg


However I would concede that Una is too straightlaced and lacking in personability for her own good. The sterile, emotionless deliverance is way out of date – even by Anna Ford’s standards. She’s so cold in fact that, like Doyle, when reaching the end of a sentence it goes out on a completely flat level with the expectation of the VT coming in to pick up the lingering last word – i.e. there’s no rounded, completed link that stands on its own with interesting semi-conversational inflections, independent of the up-coming report. It’s a dangerous game with RTÉ News, as if the report doesn’t kick in on time, that type of raised eyebrow deliverance is particularly prone to making the newsreader look like an eejit Smile

However I do think that Una works exceptionally well alongside Dobson, as her formality sits perfectly with his more conversational style. Their ages are also ideally matched, and they are both equally competent in handling bulletins as well as interviews. Well, obviously Dobson more so, but Una is amongst the best that RTÉ has in this regard. They just work perfectly as a team; they’re naturally suited to host the broadcaster’s principal news bulletin – the ideal face for RTÉ I think.

Above all with Sharon, it’s really just her tokenistic use that annoys me. Anyone I’ve watched Six One with since just constantly comments on her, on her appearance, on her other work, on her clothes, on her hair, and the odd error she makes. She’s way too much baggage in my view to be a principal newscaster. And yes, as mentioned you do have to garner experience somewhere, but she could do this on weekend bulletins and the other conventional shifts – Six One ought not be used as a training ground!!!
Sure look at her in Phen’s pic there – that typical earnest leaning-forward routine. No no no!!! Very Happy

Agreed rdd regardng formats - nothing is broken in this respect bar a major review of News on Two, which ought to be partially made into a review programme I think, with tomorrow's papers etc. However I do think the principal RTÉ branding ought to be retained - just the bulletin be given a dedicated 23.00 slot.


Telefis, I never said that Una should be sacked, I only said Una should just age gracefully, and let others younger than her to do the job. Telefis, in every country, there is always a couple of female news presenters who still present in old age (Barbara Walters in the US, Anna Ford in the UK, and Anne Doyle in ROI), but they are always the exception, not the norm. At a certain point, female news presenters will gracefully step out (in the best situations, and in bad times, they are shoved out rather rudely) and allow younger news presenters to take over. This is how the industry works, and whether I agree with it or not is another story.

Also, Telifis, a weekend news bulletin is not always the best place to garner experience, a good example would be Aengus MacGrianna. He presents weekends, and look at him!

In all conclusions, Una will age. She is already aging (you found one of those good photos. I've seen worse ones). Why should Una show the ravages of age in public?
TE
Telefis
channel2tv posted:


Telefis, I never said that Una should be sacked, I only said Una should just age gracefully, and let others younger than her to do the job.


channel2tv, you've just said it there! - get rid of her, ditch her, let her 'grow old gracefully', sack her - what's the difference?! Either way you want her gone because of her age!

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At a certain point, female news presenters will gracefully step out (in the best situations, and in bad times, they are shoved out rather rudely) and allow younger news presenters to take over. This is how the industry works, and whether I agree with it or not is another story.


Well clearly you do channel2tv, as you want her gone because she's too old!! I mean really, come on now - you're a bundle of contradictions and obfuscations.

And as for this, well, it simply beggars belief:

Quote:
Why should Una show the ravages of age in public?


I trust your elder female relations will be suitably covered up in public from here on in, preferably with buckets padlocked to their heads.
I have never come across such blatant ageism and sexism bundled together and expressed with genuine wide-eyed innocence in all my life. Maybe that's how things are done in the US - certainly not over here.
AB
ABC Australia
In australia we've got many women newspresenters in their 40s and 50s, all of them are fantastic presenters and very beautiful, and the public love them.
PH
phoenixrises
Telefís posted:
channel2tv posted:


Telefis, I never said that Una should be sacked, I only said Una should just age gracefully, and let others younger than her to do the job.


channel2tv, you've just said it there! - get rid of her, ditch her, let her 'grow old gracefully', sack her - what's the difference?! Either way you want her gone because of her age!

Quote:
At a certain point, female news presenters will gracefully step out (in the best situations, and in bad times, they are shoved out rather rudely) and allow younger news presenters to take over. This is how the industry works, and whether I agree with it or not is another story.


Well clearly you do channel2tv, as you want her gone because she's too old!! I mean really, come on now - you're a bundle of contradictions and obfuscations.

And as for this, well, it simply beggars belief:

Quote:
Why should Una show the ravages of age in public?


I trust your elder female relations will be suitably covered up in public from here on in, preferably with buckets padlocked to their heads.
I have never come across such blatant ageism and sexism bundled together and expressed with genuine wide-eyed innocence in all my life. Maybe that's how things are done in the US - certainly not over here.


1. I never said anything about sacking Una. Did I say that word out loud? I simply think that Una, who is already aging, should handle some other news programmes that will suit her current age and her point in life right now. Una is a good journalist, of course (she won't even be where she is at right now if she is not good), but one has to simply accept the fact that age ravages, and they target one sex more than the other (all of my female professors at my uni admit so, so don't say I make this up).

2. You are putting words in my mouth, Telifis. I don't believe in ageism or sexism. For the love of god, do not make me out as a misogynist, elder-hating eejit. While I don't believe women presenters should be forced out when they are aging, that is what society generally acts to. They respond to younger female presenter more than older ones. You don't see Connie Chung very often these days, do you?

3. People should have some form of modesty. If you are aging, do you want to be seen as aging, and having people starting to call you gramps? NO!


As for female presenters, ABC Australia, I hope you are not talking about Virginia Hausegger. She's too uptight, IMO.
AB
ABC Australia
[quote="channel2tv"][quote="Telefís"]
channel2tv posted:


As for female presenters, ABC Australia, I hope you are not talking about Virginia Hausegger. She's too uptight, IMO.


i was also refering to:
Ann Sanders, Mary Kostakidis, Kay McGrath, Jane Doyle, Susanna Carr, Sandra Sully, Juanita Phillips, Jennifier Keyte, Tracy Grimshaw and Jana Wendt, plus many, many more
DU
dublinskyboy
RTE do not retire presenters because they reach a certain age.

Una's position on Six-One is still open to her to return to at any time she wants.

Unfortunately for her the 'personal reasons' (which I will not go into because they are none of your business and she is a very private person) still exist and she is not available to work at that time of the day.

Just wanted to clear up any notion that she had been shafted either originally or since.
DI
diarmydotnet
Teilifis, I humbly apologise for any hurt caused by my comments. If it were up to me (and you know this too) I'd sack Dobbo before her. I was wrong to use her age as leverage to justify her retirement. She is, I agree, a good newscaster, but I think the problem is the set of the News (any 'version' of it) is a dead set (i.e. no movement, no newsroom behind them, no motion from a ticker and in that sense, the static nature of the on-screen picture is all too much with Una in the frame. She just doesn't carry inflections in her tone of voice and doesn't move... ever.... at all! In a Sky News format with plenty of movement, she'd be perfect because her lack of motion would compliment the background activity. But you must admit that since taking over the late news summary slot, she's gotten more bland at reading. And I agree about the frumpy-ness. How the extremities of wardrobe from her to Sharon are kept apart in makeup I'll never know... surely something inbetween could be pulled together?!

So I apologise for that. Embarassed

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