PH
RTÉ One and RTÉ Two seem to have gone completely widescreen on Sky Digital now. The idents, adverts, holding captions, promos etc. and the weather are now in 16:9 with the exception of the news and some other programmes that are still in 4:3.
On a different note, anybody here who has a good knowledge of 'An Ghaeilge' might at some point have noticed that any time RTÉ is displaying their name in words, they spell radio - 'radio' and television - 'telefís' like so: 'Radio Telefís Éireann'. As far as I can tell, this is incorrect. Now I only have a Leaving Certificate knowledge of Irish but it is enough to tell me that radio should be 'raidió' and television should be 'teilifís' like so: 'Raidió Teilifís Éireann'. I have checked the spelling in several dictionaries and I can't seem to find their way of spelling the words. Can anybody shed some light on this?
On a different note, anybody here who has a good knowledge of 'An Ghaeilge' might at some point have noticed that any time RTÉ is displaying their name in words, they spell radio - 'radio' and television - 'telefís' like so: 'Radio Telefís Éireann'. As far as I can tell, this is incorrect. Now I only have a Leaving Certificate knowledge of Irish but it is enough to tell me that radio should be 'raidió' and television should be 'teilifís' like so: 'Raidió Teilifís Éireann'. I have checked the spelling in several dictionaries and I can't seem to find their way of spelling the words. Can anybody shed some light on this?
RD
Completely right. It should be Raidió in perfect Irish, but is indeed Radio. That's what's written into the Broadcasting Authority Acts 1960-2002. Probably because its original name was Radio Éireann, the "Telefís" bit was inserted in 1966 (five years after the television service opened), at which time Radio Éireann became RTÉ Radio (now RTÉ Radio 1) and Telefís Éireann became RTÉ Television (now RTÉ ONE).
rdd
Founding member
Phen posted:
RTÉ One and RTÉ Two seem to have gone completely widescreen on Sky Digital now. The idents, adverts, holding captions, promos etc. and the weather are now in 16:9 with the exception of the news and some other programmes that are still in 4:3.
On a different note, anybody here who has a good knowledge of 'An Ghaeilge' might at some point have noticed that any time RTÉ is displaying their name in words, they spell radio - 'radio' and television - 'telefís' like so: 'Radio Telefís Éireann'. As far as I can tell, this is incorrect. Now I only have a Leaving Certificate knowledge of Irish but it is enough to tell me that radio should be 'raidió' and television should be 'teilifís' like so: 'Raidió Teilifís Éireann'. I have checked the spelling in several dictionaries and I can't seem to find their way of spelling the words. Can anybody shed some light on this?
On a different note, anybody here who has a good knowledge of 'An Ghaeilge' might at some point have noticed that any time RTÉ is displaying their name in words, they spell radio - 'radio' and television - 'telefís' like so: 'Radio Telefís Éireann'. As far as I can tell, this is incorrect. Now I only have a Leaving Certificate knowledge of Irish but it is enough to tell me that radio should be 'raidió' and television should be 'teilifís' like so: 'Raidió Teilifís Éireann'. I have checked the spelling in several dictionaries and I can't seem to find their way of spelling the words. Can anybody shed some light on this?
Completely right. It should be Raidió in perfect Irish, but is indeed Radio. That's what's written into the Broadcasting Authority Acts 1960-2002. Probably because its original name was Radio Éireann, the "Telefís" bit was inserted in 1966 (five years after the television service opened), at which time Radio Éireann became RTÉ Radio (now RTÉ Radio 1) and Telefís Éireann became RTÉ Television (now RTÉ ONE).
TE
Phen you've raised a time-old arguement!
I heard a perfect explanation for the spelling again recently but can't remember what it was!!!
As far as I know the spelling of both words was decided for sure upon the official amalgamation of Radio Éireann and Telefís Éireann in 1966 as rdd says.
It was something to do with the pigeon Irish craze in the 60s when terms like 'satailít' etc came into being
Was the official spelling of Radio Eireann before RTÉ radio or raidio?
I heard a perfect explanation for the spelling again recently but can't remember what it was!!!
As far as I know the spelling of both words was decided for sure upon the official amalgamation of Radio Éireann and Telefís Éireann in 1966 as rdd says.
It was something to do with the pigeon Irish craze in the 60s when terms like 'satailít' etc came into being
Was the official spelling of Radio Eireann before RTÉ radio or raidio?
NG
What seems to be happening, as far as Squashyvision is concened, is that the DOGs are sent out in 16:9 ratio even when a 4:3 picture is being transmitted. The DOGs are fine for 16:9 programming, but look squashed on 4:3 programming. The "solution" would be to transmit 4:3 pictures pillorboxed on the digital service, as the BBC do for certain programming, but as far as I'm concerned that's the work of the devil...
The other solution would be to do what most channels that don't follow the BBC (permanent 16:9 model with 4:3 stuff pillarboxed internally) mode, and switch between a 4:3 DOG and a 16:9 DOG when you change programme material ratios. That is what E4 and Sky One do - you occasionally see it still go wrong.
noggin
Founding member
rdd posted:
What seems to be happening, as far as Squashyvision is concened, is that the DOGs are sent out in 16:9 ratio even when a 4:3 picture is being transmitted. The DOGs are fine for 16:9 programming, but look squashed on 4:3 programming. The "solution" would be to transmit 4:3 pictures pillorboxed on the digital service, as the BBC do for certain programming, but as far as I'm concerned that's the work of the devil...
The other solution would be to do what most channels that don't follow the BBC (permanent 16:9 model with 4:3 stuff pillarboxed internally) mode, and switch between a 4:3 DOG and a 16:9 DOG when you change programme material ratios. That is what E4 and Sky One do - you occasionally see it still go wrong.
RD
rdd
Founding member
It was Radio Éireann as of 1960, which is the first time AFAIK it was mentioned in legislation (when Radio Éireann, that is to say the Authority rather than the station, was established). Not sure before that but I believe it was the same. Before 1960 Radio Éireann did not exist in legislation, it was a service directly operated by the P&T and the licence was held by the Minister for Posts and Telegraphs. The 1960 Act established the statutory authority known as Radio Éireann and now RTÉ (speaking of which, a new authority - RTÉ's Board of Governors to our UK readers - is due to be named any day now).
As an aside, to speak of the "amalgamation" of the services isn't really fact - Telefis Éireann had always been operated by Radio Éireann, what happened in 1966 was that the Broadcasting Authority (Amendment) Act changed the name of the Authority to "Radio Telefis Éireann". So they changed the name of the radio and TV services to match. Even though I believe that it was common practice for the public to refer to RTÉ Radio as Radio Éireann well into the 1970s...
As an aside, to speak of the "amalgamation" of the services isn't really fact - Telefis Éireann had always been operated by Radio Éireann, what happened in 1966 was that the Broadcasting Authority (Amendment) Act changed the name of the Authority to "Radio Telefis Éireann". So they changed the name of the radio and TV services to match. Even though I believe that it was common practice for the public to refer to RTÉ Radio as Radio Éireann well into the 1970s...
TE
Yes, and my Granny still refers to RTÉ occassionally as 'Telefís'
I've often wondered why the 1960 act didn't amalgamate (I'm using the term loosely) the two organisations then, rather than in an amendment 6 years later. Do you know rdd?
Also did the Radio Éireann Authority control Telefís directly in the six years, or via an intermediary television authority?
I've often wondered why the 1960 act didn't amalgamate (I'm using the term loosely
) the two organisations then, rather than in an amendment 6 years later. Do you know rdd?
Also did the Radio Éireann Authority control Telefís directly in the six years, or via an intermediary television authority?
PH
Is it possible that RTÉ News is preparing to go widescreen sooner than we think? Afterall, the normal DOG would look strange in widescreen if it was coming all the way across from the side. Maybe they're trying out the new DOG before they make the switch? They showed a preview with Eileen Dunne c. 8pm which seemed to be in widescreen.
RTÉ Weather now looks quite impressive in widescreen; except for the summary chart which is almost always out of alignment. They also showed a map of Europe which was stretched like a 4:3 picture in a 16:9 screen and then the logo and the strap at the bottom disappeared momentarily
but they almost have it right
RTÉ Weather now looks quite impressive in widescreen; except for the summary chart which is almost always out of alignment. They also showed a map of Europe which was stretched like a 4:3 picture in a 16:9 screen and then the logo and the strap at the bottom disappeared momentarily
but they almost have it right
RD
The Radio Éireann Authority always controlled Telefís Éireann - they were always the one organisation. All that happened in 1966 was that the name was changed, there was very few other changes. (The Act of 1966 is a very short piece of legislation).
As for why the authority was called Radio Éireann in the first place - it was probably felt that radio was the senior service at that time, rather than television which was ancillary. Some broadcasting organisations still use only "Radio" in their name even though they operate TV services - Radio Breman and Denmark Radio come to mind...
rdd
Founding member
Telefís posted:
Yes, and my Granny still refers to RTÉ occassionally as 'Telefís'
I've often wondered why the 1960 act didn't amalgamate (I'm using the term loosely) the two organisations then, rather than in an amendment 6 years later. Do you know rdd?
Also did the Radio Éireann Authority control Telefís directly in the six years, or via an intermediary television authority?
I've often wondered why the 1960 act didn't amalgamate (I'm using the term loosely
) the two organisations then, rather than in an amendment 6 years later. Do you know rdd?
Also did the Radio Éireann Authority control Telefís directly in the six years, or via an intermediary television authority?
The Radio Éireann Authority always controlled Telefís Éireann - they were always the one organisation. All that happened in 1966 was that the name was changed, there was very few other changes. (The Act of 1966 is a very short piece of legislation).
As for why the authority was called Radio Éireann in the first place - it was probably felt that radio was the senior service at that time, rather than television which was ancillary. Some broadcasting organisations still use only "Radio" in their name even though they operate TV services - Radio Breman and Denmark Radio come to mind...