The Newsroom

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(March 2005)

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nwtv2003
The TV Room posted:
Telefís posted:
Notice anything a little strange about these images?


Apart from the fact that the set and desk lighting is switched off, there are no seats in shot and that the panels along the floor have been removed from the front of the desk and the TV screen, I don't see anything particularly odd.


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/RTE1TV/Newsroom-press3.jpg

The €1 coin by any chance? It appears to be a model set...
TV
The TV Room
nwtv2003 posted:
The €1 coin by any chance? It appears to be a model set...


Christ Almighty. That's terribly authentic looking. The lighting looks quite like how the studio looked when Podge and Rodge went behind-the-scenes on RTE TWO launch night. However, on closer inspection, I notice that the blue/red designs on the walls don't match the real thing. Smile

That's the most realistic 'model' I've seen.

I obviously need to turn the contrast up on my monitor - couldn't make out what that was in that last image.
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Telefis
Phen posted:
I don't have much taste when it comes to carpet...


Yes carpets can be tricky all right Smile

Personally I'd like to ditch the blue that RTÉ has clung onto for so long.
It's lovely in the opening titles, but I'd have an exclusively deep green carpet in studio, with a matching green in the astons replacing the blue band for example.
The green that was used in the green machine of 1995 was a horrible wishy washy shade, whereas a nice 'back to basics green' would work much better Smile - a bit like the way the BBC uses red as a key colour.

Likewise, a key green shade used in the set walls could be replicated across Prime Time and the Week in Politics if desired, or other current affairs output.
The red the W in P and PT uses at the moment is such a direct rip-off from the BBC it's unbeliveable.
A green shade wold not only define us from them, but also as being Irish output. There's no nationalist motive behind it though - just think it'd visually work very well!
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The TV Room
Telefís posted:
Personally I'd like to ditch the blue that RTÉ has clung onto for so long. It's lovely in the opening titles, but I'd have an exclusively deep green carpet in studio, with a matching green in the astons replacing the blue band for example.


The set adopted in January 2000 was a great leap forward for RTE News and such a pleasant departure from the cheap and vile looking tripe we had been subjected to up until that point. We've now taken a number of steps backwards.

RTE News need to accept that their main competitors are BBC, ITN and Sky...NOT TV 3. The vast majority of Irish viewers have access to all of the main British channels. When you look at BBC, ITV or Sky and then look at RTE's news output, there is just no comparison. RTE are light years behind. Good grief, even ITV and BBC regional bulletins are streets ahead of RTE's national effort - in every respect.

When will RTE News get it through their thick skulls that presentation DOES matter.

We can only hope that the Autumn will see that set sent to the skip and a completely new look brought in. RTE News cannot remain in this state for another year.
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Telefis
The thing is is that RTÉ launched this set as 'giving the station a facelift', introducing a 'clean, fresh, modern look'.

What concerns me is that clearly a lot of effort went into this, and yet they still came out with tat by and large. What sort of quality controls do they have in place, if any? What's to stop this happening again?

One of RTÉ's biggest problems with set design is that they rarely strike the right balance between a real 'television' look with vague backgrounds etc, and more traditional 'boxy' solid element looks
The current package is very much so the latter, while the 2000 look the former (and well overall).

You can only go the 'traditional' route if you use quality design and materials like the BBC did in 1999 - RTÉ don't and it looks crap - always looks crap. The only successful 'solid' scheme I can think of was the Late Late Show's 1995 yellow panelled set which looked fantastic.
If you think the News look is bad at the minute, do NOT watch Miriam O'Callaghan's new show - let's just say she's great and the set, well, isn't...

The more I look at the intro of 2000 on your TV Room, the more really fantastic it beomes! What a polished package, and very dramatic!
RTÉ must get it right next time round, and it's going to need serious cash, end of story
ND
NorthDown2
Telefís posted:
Good point, maybe they do it this way. I always look at the monitors closely behind to see if he/she is ever on one, but they never are. Maybe the camera just isn't outputted to the bank.

Here's the Newsroom gallery featured in one of the RTÉ idents:

http://thetvroom.com/images-rte-one/images-2005/id-25d.jpg

- this was used a heck of a lot before the Nine when first launched but hasn't been seen in a while.

You're good Sky News Ireland Smile - yes the monitors behind the gauze background weren't brought to the other studio, and the lighting was brighter! Still they managed it so well, was very impressed!
It should be easy to do the same with the current set should they change in Sept.

NorthDown 2, RTÉ is by and large very well equipped with studio facilities. As can be seen in the diagram below Smile, the Television Centre is divided up into roughly three sections on the ground floor, with a vast warehouse of sets and storage to the rear. followed by a line of studios, followed by admin and reception etc to the front:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/RTE1TV/RTTelevisionCentre.jpg

This is very rough, not to scale and there are probably more studios than those pictured and in different locations. However Studio 4 is correct in size and position. It is the largest regular studio in Montrose (as opposed to soundstages used for soaps), covering about 5,500 sq ft. Suffice to say it is used for the Late Late, indeed the only regular use it had recently until Tubridy Tonight also began using it.

It was probably a soundstage for Glenroe or somesuch originally, but was converted for use for the Late Late and Kenny Live in 1995. Previously they came from the much smaller Studio 1 which only holds about 100 people (now used for Winning Streak and F&F).
This is when the impressive yellow panelled Late Late set, and the big Kenny Live set came into being, in Sept of 1995. They both badly needed a bigger studio - and this was also the first one to be given a jib-arm camera!

Studio 4 is capable of holding up to 300 people at a squeeze, which would be the equivilant of a medium to large BBC studio.
However it is only ever fitted out for 200 people for the Late Late, or 'Up for the Match' etc. When first used though at the beginning, 250 were fitted in regularly in the late 90s for the two chat shows. Why there's only ever 200 seats now is because it's too much hassle to handle 300 Rolling Eyes, but also because the jib-arm camera for the performance area neatly slots in in place of the extra 100 seats...
The only time I know that 300 people were accommodated was for Gay's last Late Late - it looked amazing with 300 people, should be done more often.
It is also used for Elections, Eurosong finals in their day, and New Years Eve broadcasts etc. It can look huge on screen with the tiered seating removed.
Here it is projecting out to a substantial three stories from the 1960 Miesian gem that is the Television Centre:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/RTE1TV/TelevisionCentre.jpg

Other smaller studios are used for Prime Time, The View, Crimecall etc etc.

Anyway, back in the Newsroom it's quite surprising how basic the layout is really in that (assuming you have a security swipecard) you can walk in the door of reception, up the stairs to the Newsroom corridor and straight into the news studio! No major security checks, protective corridors or semi-sealed area for the newsroom, pretty basic really! Stems from the 1960 layout which hasn't changed much.
Adds to the whole Montrose campus charm I think Very Happy


Thankyou for the explanation of Montrose's lay-out. Is the Den in-house then or from another studio entirely? I would have thought it needed a permanent studio to itself.

As I've posted elsewhere, an interesting behind the scenes look at Evelyn's weather studio on Townlands last week.

As for the RTE newsroom, as long as they don't revert back to the virtual reality studios in days of yore it should improve. How many journalists do they have in the newsroom?

If security and protection of the news studio isn't as strong as has been made out, perhaps we should storm the studio in protest (a la Six O'Clock news, BBC with Sue Lawley) at poor set designs! Laughing
PH
Phen
NorthDown2 posted:
perhaps we should storm the studio in protest at poor set designs!


Laughing Laughing But what could we possibly do that would make the set look worse? Dirty the floor maybe, dirty the walls or even pull out all the microphone wires? Oh yes, that's all been done already!
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Telefis
Phen posted:
Dirty the floor maybe, dirty the walls or even pull out all the microphone wires? Oh yes, that's all been done already!


ROFL Very Happy

NorthDown 2, the Den comes from a permanent studio also upstairs in the Television Centre - there's quite a few up there I believe, including the Newsroom, Den, and probably Weather and various Presentation studios.
It is like a 60s timewarp up there in places - hasn't changed a bit!
The Den is madness - you have to climb over piles of soft toys, other pieces of set and general crap to get to the desk!
The Newsroom has a lot of journalists, probably around 30 at a rough count.

I wonder when a set change comes if they'll dare to use a Dublin backdrop like BBC Newsline and other UK regional studios?
Such backdrops aren't used for national services though in the UK, just regional. And in the context of floods of criticism of RTÉ for being Dublin-centric, perhaps they wouldn't touch it with a bargepole.
Wouldn't be something I'd really go for either...

But in any relaunch, so much more than graphics and studio 3 have to be tackled - all broom cupboard bulletins have to go, as does the poor SOCR, as do all the ridiculous backdrops in reginal studios, esp the Leinster House studio.
Also much more advanced graphic packages for use in reports must be developed, and poeple trained to use them!

Sweeping changes across the board are in order - a total clearing out of the cobwebs - not just a lick of paint, but a wholescale demolition.
PH
Phen
I was just wondering; when RTÉ News goes widescreen, will it be broadcast in cropped 14:9 on analogue like the weather? Personally I feel that broadcasting the news like so is a bit dodgy. It looks terrible; especially on BBC World where the TOG is miles up from the bottom and miles in from the side. The black lines top and bottom help to make programmes like documentaries and dramas look more dramatic but surely this aspect ratio is not needed with the news? Its fine for any type of programme except for current affairs and sport. When news is broadcast in cropped 14:9, its looks dodgy. I don't really know how to describe it but it just doesn't look right. It nearly makes you ask yourself: am I watching a documentary or the news? The weather when broadcast like so doesn't look as bad but still not quite right.

I'm sure RTÉ would be able to broadcast the news in proper 4:3 on analogue if they wanted to. I'm curious: is everything on the BBC broadcast in cropped 14:9 on analogue or is it just BBC World that broadcasts like so?
GR
gregmc
Telefís posted:
Thanks Phen.

I was debating about putting dirty hand prints on the walls to make it more life-like but couldn't bring myself to do it Very Happy

And unlike the real life set, that's real mahogany veneer the desk, monitor unit and rear boxy yoke are made from! Smile
The chairs are too tricky so dont think I'll bother with them!

Was pleased with the outcome. Thinking of making up an 'alternative' set for the next change, but am not very good in the original department Rolling Eyes
A green circular carpet with dark timber edging would definitely feature though - another BBC influence from 1999 but who cares, it'd look great!


How did you do the lighting?
RJ
Russell James
what i feel rte should do, is get a studio that can be modified easliy, ie RP screens ect.

then possibly studio usuage could rise, such as primetime, the week in politics, crimecall (what a lark) and leaders questions could be done from the same studio, but still looking different. like the BBC3 News studio, but with a bit more then just screens and mirors!

what they could also do is get a bigger studio space! but the only thing is how, then they could possibly go nuts with the designing!

im currently making an election studio for RTE, and its looking pretty good, really modern, its just colouring ect that im havin trouble with
AB
ABC Australia
Maybe RTE News should go ABC Australia style
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