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ALV
It's not uncommon for regions to have problems with providing breakfast bulletins, and the "standard" protocol for regions is to just take the "sustaining feed" (a.ka put BBC London up) to fill time.

In this case, why did BBC One Scotland decides to continue to opt out and find a CA to read the news rather than putting BBC London on air just like how other regions handle these situations? My assumption is probably the editors decided the content from BBC London is too irrelevant for Scotland, hence they just decide to ask a CA to fill time.
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Markymark
Technologist posted:
Markymark posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
IIRC during the 2008 Olympics (or some similar event) Breakfast moved to BBC2, which prevented many of the opts. On that occasion TC7 did a paper review to fill the time, but it has never been standard.

Presumably on the occasion Ballyboy mentions London developed a problem too close to an opt to get a feed from an alternative region (usually Southampton) so they ad-libbed a paper review to fill the time.


Yes, though I think Tunbridge Wells is now the first choice (with notice) if London can't provide the bulletin ?

I suspect part of the procedure is to tell the replacement region NOT to opt, but stay on network, to avoid any comedy howl-round ?

Certainly a few years ago London output is not in the sustaining feed
.... it is opted out like any other region ....


Yes, but I think it's always been an 'OS Insert' during Breakfast hasn't it ?
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Steve in Pudsey
Technologist posted:
Markymark posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
IIRC during the 2008 Olympics (or some similar event) Breakfast moved to BBC2, which prevented many of the opts. On that occasion TC7 did a paper review to fill the time, but it has never been standard.

Presumably on the occasion Ballyboy mentions London developed a problem too close to an opt to get a feed from an alternative region (usually Southampton) so they ad-libbed a paper review to fill the time.


Yes, though I think Tunbridge Wells is now the first choice (with notice) if London can't provide the bulletin ?

I suspect part of the procedure is to tell the replacement region NOT to opt, but stay on network, to avoid any comedy howl-round ?

Certainly a few years ago London output is not in the sustaining feed
.... it is opted out like any other region ....

Even at Breakfast? London appears on the News Channel during these opts via the Salford gallery.
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m_in_m
ALV posted:
It's not uncommon for regions to have problems with providing breakfast bulletins, and the "standard" protocol for regions is to just take the "sustaining feed" (a.ka put BBC London up) to fill time.

In this case, why did BBC One Scotland decides to continue to opt out and find a CA to read the news rather than putting BBC London on air just like how other regions handle these situations? My assumption is probably the editors decided the content from BBC London is too irrelevant for Scotland, hence they just decide to ask a CA to fill time.

The procedure for regions and nations will differ - different scales.
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Steve in Pudsey
ALV posted:
It's not uncommon for regions to have problems with providing breakfast bulletins, and the "standard" protocol for regions is to just take the "sustaining feed" (a.ka put BBC London up) to fill time.

In this case, why did BBC One Scotland decides to continue to opt out and find a CA to read the news rather than putting BBC London on air just like how other regions handle these situations? My assumption is probably the editors decided the content from BBC London is too irrelevant for Scotland, hence they just decide to ask a CA to fill time.


Regions and Nations are different. If a region can't put out a news bulletin it can't do anything else, usually*.

Nations have a separate presentation operation so have more options, and a sound only headline read is more useful than London news to their audience.

One thing did confuse me - I think Tony Currie has said that alarms go off if they stay on a still image for too long. I guess finding something animating (other than the breakdown caption) would be too difficult?

EDIT: with a bit of notice they can often arrange a feed from a neighbouring region, if they have an issue that means they can't put out their own bulletin but can take that feed, eg presenter overslept, video server or studio lighting failed etc
Last edited by Steve in Pudsey on 10 December 2020 5:28pm
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Universal_r
Could Scotland just have not opted and one of the breakfast presenters could’ve read the headlines for Scotland?
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LWTfan1968
Steve in Pudsey posted:
eg presenter overslept


Now I have the image in my head of a presenter realizing he woke up late
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Steve in Pudsey
Universal_r posted:
Could Scotland just have not opted and one of the breakfast presenters could’ve read the headlines for Scotland?


No technical reason why with a bit of notice, although it would have also gone out on the News Channel. And would probably have had an awkward gap at the end because they would be reading the same script that the announcer did. I'm not sure what benefit that would have had.
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AlexS
Steve in Pudsey posted:
Universal_r posted:
Could Scotland just have not opted and one of the breakfast presenters could’ve read the headlines for Scotland?


No technical reason why with a bit of notice, although it would have also gone out on the News Channel. And would probably have had an awkward gap at the end because they would be reading the same script that the announcer did. I'm not sure what benefit that would have had.

Why would it have gone out on the news channel? The News Channel takes the London opt during breakfast and that was broadcast as scheduled.
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Andrew Founding member
Some of these suggestions are like when there was that transmission issue with Panorama the other week, people coming up with elaborate plans of nations taking other nations and all kinds of stuff.

Might be possible in theory but not at 6:20am with 5 mins to the opt
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LWTfan1968
Andrew posted:
Some of these suggestions are like when there was that transmission issue with Panorama the other week, people coming up with elaborate plans of nations taking other nations and all kinds of stuff.


Except this time the whole site didn't break down due to influx of people Very Happy
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AlexS
LWTfan1968 posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
eg presenter overslept


Now I have the image in my head of a presenter realizing he woke up late

I believe Ben Thompson missed Business Live at least once after oversleeping.

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