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IS
Inspector Sands

Up as far as the last decade, I know that some BBC LR sites were using CCTV grade PAL composite
circuits to the 'parent' regional TV centre. BT2000 rings a bell ? Brighton and Reading into So'ton, and Glos and Taunton into Bristol ?

JPEG2000?


There were a load of CCTV circuits in London that provided simple plugin points at places like Trafalgar Square, New Scotland Yard, Leicester Square. The latter was intended to be used for film premiere coverage but IIRC it was on the wrong side of the square for the cinema most commonly used for those
RD
RDJ
There’s a new overhead camera in the newsroom providing cross-directional images of the newsroom. Similar to sports stadium cameras for Rugby and Football matches.

It’s unclear whether it’s temporary for the Election or permanent. But I imagine it could be used for new TOTH newsroom shots.

EDIT: It’s just for the GE.



MA
Meridian AM
I just happened to put BBC News on now (normally a CNN and Sky News viewer) and there is a bulletin called 'Afternoon Live', with this typed on the bottom of the screen.
Apart from calling it that, it just seems like how they normally present BBC News, like a normal bulletin, in the same studio, etc.
Can anyone explain if or how it is supposed to be different from what I might see at any other hour on the channel that it should need to be branded as this?
BA
Ballyboy
if news nationwide was scrapped for good would anyone really notice?
MA
Markymark

Up as far as the last decade, I know that some BBC LR sites were using CCTV grade PAL composite
circuits to the 'parent' regional TV centre. BT2000 rings a bell ? Brighton and Reading into So'ton, and Glos and Taunton into Bristol ?

JPEG2000?


There were a load of CCTV circuits in London that provided simple plugin points at places like Trafalgar Square, New Scotland Yard, Leicester Square. The latter was intended to be used for film premiere coverage but IIRC it was on the wrong side of the square for the cinema most commonly used for those


I don't think the regional circuits were J2K, in fact how old is J2K as a codec ? They were ropey pictures, alive with PAL artefacts!
NG
noggin Founding member

Up as far as the last decade, I know that some BBC LR sites were using CCTV grade PAL composite
circuits to the 'parent' regional TV centre. BT2000 rings a bell ? Brighton and Reading into So'ton, and Glos and Taunton into Bristol ?

JPEG2000?


There were a load of CCTV circuits in London that provided simple plugin points at places like Trafalgar Square, New Scotland Yard, Leicester Square. The latter was intended to be used for film premiere coverage but IIRC it was on the wrong side of the square for the cinema most commonly used for those


The Leicester Square (and Piccadilly Circus?) inject points were PAL analogue composite in input terms (often ENG camera operators would need talking in to switch their cameras out of SDI output - as it was switchable on some ISTR) I think they may have still been part of LoCo (London Coax) The camera ops would have to book out a large key and a rucksack of gubbins to plug in ISTR.
NG
noggin Founding member

Up as far as the last decade, I know that some BBC LR sites were using CCTV grade PAL composite
circuits to the 'parent' regional TV centre. BT2000 rings a bell ? Brighton and Reading into So'ton, and Glos and Taunton into Bristol ?

JPEG2000?


There were a load of CCTV circuits in London that provided simple plugin points at places like Trafalgar Square, New Scotland Yard, Leicester Square. The latter was intended to be used for film premiere coverage but IIRC it was on the wrong side of the square for the cinema most commonly used for those


I don't think the regional circuits were J2K, in fact how old is J2K as a codec ? They were ropey pictures, alive with PAL artefacts!


In the 4:3 PAL days the main regional circuits were 140Mbs PAL composite digital, though at some point some 140Mbs circuits were split into 4 x 34MBs ETSI compressed circuits (which added more latency ISTR) I think the ETSI codec was component internally - but I think the I/O as presented to regional centres was still PAL composite analogue.

However there were other analogue circuits within regions (microwave analogue PAL was widespread) - and in London there were bits of LoCo still running until well into the 16:9 days I think. (16:9 PAL composite analogue was used by News once News went widescreen, just as Beta SP was... )
MA
Markymark
JPEG2000?


There were a load of CCTV circuits in London that provided simple plugin points at places like Trafalgar Square, New Scotland Yard, Leicester Square. The latter was intended to be used for film premiere coverage but IIRC it was on the wrong side of the square for the cinema most commonly used for those


I don't think the regional circuits were J2K, in fact how old is J2K as a codec ? They were ropey pictures, alive with PAL artefacts!


In the 4:3 PAL days the main regional circuits were 140Mbs PAL composite digital, though at some point some 140Mbs circuits were split into 4 x 34MBs ETSI compressed circuits (which added more latency ISTR) I think the ETSI codec was component internally - but I think the I/O as presented to regional centres was still PAL composite analogue.


Yes, indeed, but the contribution circuits from the LR stations to regional TV centres were clearly much lower grade circuits. They were definitely CCTV grade products, I remember looking them up on BT's website?
NG
noggin Founding member

I don't think the regional circuits were J2K, in fact how old is J2K as a codec ? They were ropey pictures, alive with PAL artefacts!


In the 4:3 PAL days the main regional circuits were 140Mbs PAL composite digital, though at some point some 140Mbs circuits were split into 4 x 34MBs ETSI compressed circuits (which added more latency ISTR) I think the ETSI codec was component internally - but I think the I/O as presented to regional centres was still PAL composite analogue.


Yes, indeed, but the contribution circuits from the LR stations to regional TV centres were clearly much lower grade circuits. They were definitely CCTV grade products, I remember looking them up on BT's website?


In the Eastern counties I think the Cambridge to Norwich circuits were 140Mbs PAL (x2 I think), then I think at least one of the 140Mbs circuits was replaced with more 34Mbs ETSI? This was because even pre-sub-opt Cambridge had a busy down-the-line studio and edit suites that used to cut for the main Look East programme in Norwich and play live into the programme (or tape feed close to air)

The circuits from other local radio stations to Cambridge or Norwich were usually analogue microwave via receive points at Sandy Heath, Tacolnestone or Sudbury. Sandy's microwave RX was received and then fed via a mid-point or two to Radio Cambridgeshire at Hills Road, where it could be fibre to Norwich and from then routed to London should it have been required (again via 140Mbs - and later possibly 34Mbs circuits)
TE
Technologist
The main regional centre to London ( and vice versa) and things like Leeds Hull or Birmingham Nottingham etc were all 140Mbit PAL in the days of energis and c&w
other lets call it some local radio to a region were BT RS 1000 cctv usually the D vairent which gave a 100 Mbit ip circuit ...the down side was time to fix was more than 4 days ( if you were lucky) and as it worked on individual dark fibres up,to a certain length some were cascaded.
In the East Luton and Northampton SHF microwaved into Sandy Heath but with was the move of BBC Cambridge changed to a JPEG2000 over ip ...the same was used in Wales replacing the PAL microwave going in the opposite direction to analogue distribution ....thus meaning the BBc could close the Mold site. And for BBC Alba ..... form Aberdeen and H264 from Stornaway

Now BBC core network nations region an LR is BT .
....and SMPTE ST2022-6 with option to go ST2110 ....
TE
Technologist
The main regional centre to London ( and vice versa) and things like Leeds Hull or Birmingham Nottingham etc were all 140Mbit PAL in the days of energis and c&w but london to region went 34 Mbit ETSI to get space fir DTT primary distribution
other lets call it some local radio to a region were BT RS 1000 cctv usually the D vairent which gave a 100 Mbit ip circuit ...the down side was time to fix was more than 4 days ( if you were lucky) and as it worked on individual dark fibres up,to a certain length some were cascaded.
In the East Luton and Northampton SHF microwaved into Sandy Heath but with was the move of BBC Cambridge changed to a JPEG2000 over ip ...the same was used in Wales replacing the PAL microwave going in the opposite direction to analogue distribution ....thus meaning the BBc could close the Mold site. And for BBC Alba ..... form Aberdeen and H264 from Stornaway

Now BBC core network nations region an LR is BT .
....and SMPTE ST2022-6 with option to go ST2110 ....
MA
Markymark
The
other lets call it some local radio to a region were BT RS 1000 cctv usually the D vairent which gave a 100 Mbit ip circuit ...the down side was time to fix was more than 4 days ( if you were lucky) ..


That was it, RS 1000, I was only a thousand out 😜

Google BT RS 1000 and there's a plethora of info, still a current product
Last edited by Markymark on 9 December 2019 7:18pm

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