BBC News (UK) presentation - Reith launch onwards

If that argument was true, BBC News would still be using the same titles it had in 1954. Branding is important - we just happen to appreciate it more than most.

Well, you're on the wrong forum then.

No they won’t.

Are you sure about that? We are the more obsessive viewers, so we'll get bored of things a lot quicker, but even so-called 'regular' people have started to notice that BBC News is looking a bit stale, and have been noticing for a couple of years. Mostly though, it's put down to the government's Austerity drive which has forced the BBC to pay directly for World Service and S4C.

But now they've done new regional title sequences, but not changed the national ones significantly, despite them being way more stale than the regional ones? What part of that actually makes sense to you, or anyone?

I'm not sure where the evidence is that "so-called 'regular' people have started to notice that BBC News is looking a bit stale"... BBC News comes under criticism about alleged bias from viewers but those criticisms are aimed at the content rather than presentation. I've rarely seen any comments about pres or studios outside of this, and similar, forums.

Simple. I don't have evidence. I just have words that random people have said to me a few times in the last couple of years, and never prompted about it either. But every time it was said, it just struck me as something that you wouldn't have thought people would notice, but they do.

One would hope that because they haven't gone to the trouble of re-rendering the place names and bulletin numbers in Reith, a revamp of the titles isn't far on the horizon... or that could be just wishful thinking!

I have noticed some of the video packages/graphics and studio pieces are sometimes partly covered by the lower thirds graphics. There have been 2 instances this morning on Victoria Derbyshire and also during The Papers, the CGI papers as they rotate below the desk, the paper headlines are sometimes cut off partly. Can't this be fixed by moving the camera down slightly or having an area which shouldn't be crossed? With the old graphics, programmes like Click regularly used to place their graphics in the critical area making them clipped off.

Re packages on Derbyshire, Well, they shouldn’t. With the full launch of Reith came a new grid guideline as to where graphics should be to avoid clashing with all the “furniture” as they call it. Either these packages are the wrong versions (ie not ones specifically made for TV) or they’ve been made with old templates. As for The Papers, I’m sure that’ll have been noticed and will be tweaked accordingly.

Could be wishful thinking, but remember how the BBC like to do revamps in stages. Even in January 2003 when they updated the national set, astons, graphics etc, it took them over a year to replace the old 1999 titles.

Didn't they have a different logo on screens for the period, which was used for the summary stings.

Did the 2008 graphics refresh coincide with the barco screens?

It was a slightly different logo for the summary stings. But similar in that it was white and oval-based.

For the news channel yes, but the barco screens existed for the national bulletins since 2006.