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BBC News (UK) presentation - Reith launch onwards

From Monday 15th July 2019 (July 2019)

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Ghost posted:
How did this happen? Shocked

I added an image in April with the same issues, and w1a gave a very good explanation.
w1a posted:
Yes so this is caused by a few unfortunate happenings. Essentially the engine that the graphic has been played out doesn't have the right font installed on it. That wouldn't matter usually (because VizRT loads font in it's own special way) but unfortunately a setting in the graphic is also incorrect. The two issues fall between design and technical competencies, and so these things happen!

And when I say right font, I mean right version of the font. Reith is still being updated with new characters and some fixes too and periodically there's an update.

For VizRT to handle right to left languages and languages that do special things with characters we have to use a setting which looks on the PC's Font folder for the right typeface to get that functionality. That setting is on by default globally, in case an Arabic or Persian programme needs to come from any studio at short notice. But it can be switched off on a scene-by-scene basis.

So here, the graphic is probably looking for a font in it's Font folder that it can't find - because it's got a slightly older version of the font installed. When it can't find the right thing we get that gobbledy-gook. Not helpful!

The fix here, would be to change the setting in the scene or to update the fonts installed on the myriad of machines. Why wasn't that done already? Well...human error and the usual issues you get in all work places.

Also, this scene might be a special case that hasn't been used in a while. Journalists have a habit of picking things they are used to, irrespective of how old it is. This may have been built before the global font setting was applied. Of course, there's a lot of people not doing their usual shifts etc too. On average this doesn't happen a lot, but we get peaks when the font is updated and then these cases which slip through the net.

I think there's also a point to be made about issues with automated systems too though. Maintaining the systems, with the correct fonts and settings is boring, repetitive work that I think lends itself to things getting missed. This isn't industry or BBC specific at all. It most likely happens in your job. And we're not talking about 20 or so templates. There are hundreds, made at different points, serving three 24 hour news channels. And there's plenty of machines to update too.

In my mind, this wouldn't have gone on air if graphics operators we're still a thing, previewing in the gallery. When I was operating, I always made sure I saw graphics before they went out on air, on the machine they were being played out on . Automated systems make this harder to do. The theory is that all machines are equal, but in reality that is difficult to maintain. Dosxuk is right (and this is what makes these issues harder to spot), it may have appeared correctly on the preview engine if the same font issue is happening there too and then only fallen over when it was taken live.
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Willz
Do we know when newsnight and Marr go back to studio B?

Not anytime soon
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m_in_m
Willz posted:
Do we know when newsnight and Marr go back to studio B?

Not anytime soon

B was mothballed as part of the financial cuts that needed to be made so there is no reason to believe they will ever return.
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UTVLifer
Willz posted:
Do we know when newsnight and Marr go back to studio B?

Not anytime soon

B was mothballed as part of the financial cuts that needed to be made so there is no reason to believe they will ever return.

My bet is that next time we see Studio B will be for next year's Local Elections
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dosxuk
Willz posted:
Do we know when newsnight and Marr go back to studio B?

Not anytime soon

B was mothballed as part of the financial cuts that needed to be made so there is no reason to believe they will ever return.


Mothballing implies it's not being used for now, things will still be maintained in a usable condition and it can be brought into use fairly quickly. If they were not intending to use it again when the circumstances allow it they would just close it, and make permanent changes to the space to make it safe (e.g. all the winchable lighting bars that B has will need safety checking every 6 months under LOLER regulations, if you don't do that then you have to secure them structurally or take them down).

With the reductions on staff allowed in the building and working in close proximity, and the lack of in studio guests, neither Marr or Newsnight need the space. That will change as we come out the other side of the pandemic and I expect to see B come back into use then.
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Aaron_2015
Caught a few minutes of Marr this morning and it looks absolutely fine in E. The desk naturally makes the show feel more formal, but I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing.
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Ne1L C
A serious question. Why so many studios? I know right now there needs to be social distancing so having more than one studio is necessary and wise but surely when the pandemic is over and with financial concerns looming a potential suggestion would be for BBC News as a whole simply to use one studio. With Newsnight now starting at 10.45 and the 10 O'clock news finishing at about 10.25 there's time for the scene shifters or whatever the job is called nowadays to work their magic and bring in the NN monitors etc.
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JF World News
A serious question. Why so many studios? I know right now there needs to be social distancing so having more than one studio is necessary and wise but surely when the pandemic is over and with financial concerns looming a potential suggestion would be for BBC News as a whole simply to use one studio. With Newsnight now starting at 10.45 and the 10 O'clock news finishing at about 10.25 there's time for the scene shifters or whatever the job is called nowadays to work their magic and bring in the NN monitors etc.


BBC News is currently using six studios across its output C / D / E / K / L / 44D (but the English service TV only usinf C / D / E)
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AlexS
A serious question. Why so many studios? I know right now there needs to be social distancing so having more than one studio is necessary and wise but surely when the pandemic is over and with financial concerns looming a potential suggestion would be for BBC News as a whole simply to use one studio. With Newsnight now starting at 10.45 and the 10 O'clock news finishing at about 10.25 there's time for the scene shifters or whatever the job is called nowadays to work their magic and bring in the NN monitors etc.


BBC News is currently using six studios across its output C / D / E / K / L / 44D (but the English service TV only usinf C / D / E)

Also at least one of G/H for the weather and the sports studio in Salford.
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Ne1L C
A serious question. Why so many studios? I know right now there needs to be social distancing so having more than one studio is necessary and wise but surely when the pandemic is over and with financial concerns looming a potential suggestion would be for BBC News as a whole simply to use one studio. With Newsnight now starting at 10.45 and the 10 O'clock news finishing at about 10.25 there's time for the scene shifters or whatever the job is called nowadays to work their magic and bring in the NN monitors etc.


BBC News is currently using six studios across its output C / D / E / K / L / 44D (but the English service TV only usinf C / D / E)


I understand about Scotland, Wales, NI and Salford but surely it would be more cost effective to have 1 studio in Salford and 1 in London or am I missing something here?
JF
JF World News
A serious question. Why so many studios? I know right now there needs to be social distancing so having more than one studio is necessary and wise but surely when the pandemic is over and with financial concerns looming a potential suggestion would be for BBC News as a whole simply to use one studio. With Newsnight now starting at 10.45 and the 10 O'clock news finishing at about 10.25 there's time for the scene shifters or whatever the job is called nowadays to work their magic and bring in the NN monitors etc.


BBC News is currently using six studios across its output C / D / E / K / L / 44D (but the English service TV only usinf C / D / E)


I understand about Scotland, Wales, NI and Salford but surely it would be more cost effective to have 1 studio in Salford and 1 in London or am I missing something here?


Impossible with three 24 hour news channels (NC, WN & Persian), one for London region, two for bulletins for partners)
lesmauresfr and Ne1L C gave kudos
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Ne1L C

BBC News is currently using six studios across its output C / D / E / K / L / 44D (but the English service TV only usinf C / D / E)


I understand about Scotland, Wales, NI and Salford but surely it would be more cost effective to have 1 studio in Salford and 1 in London or am I missing something here?


Impossible with three 24 hour news channels (NC, WN & Persian), one for London region, two for bulletins for partners)


Fair point.

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