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BBC News (UK) presentation - Reith launch onwards

From Monday 15th July 2019

CU
Cusack Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
You've got to admire the way in which the BBC is continually on a mission to self-destruct, the latest crisis being the appallingly misjudged use of the racist n-word in a Points West / BBC News channel report, which has seen a 1Xtra DJ quit in disgust.

What on earth were these so-called editors thinking? Talk about asleep at the wheel. Has any other broadcast media organisation been so utterly irresponsible?

One crisis after another, now almost on a weekly basis - and complete ammunition for BBC detractors. May as well do away with the corporation now.

You can just seen the headlines now: "Over-75s refuse to pay licence fee to racist BBC"


From what I've read, the family of the victim asked the BBC to use the full word to highlight the severty of the attack. Whether that is right or not, I don't know.
JA
Jarv Anglia (East) Look East
Full apology fron the DG now,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53715814
SL
Shaun Linden Anglia (West) Look East (West sub-opt)
You've got to admire the way in which the BBC is continually on a mission to self-destruct, the latest crisis being the appallingly misjudged use of the racist n-word in a Points West / BBC News channel report, which has seen a 1Xtra DJ quit in disgust.

What on earth were these so-called editors thinking? Talk about asleep at the wheel. Has any other broadcast media organisation been so utterly irresponsible?

One crisis after another, now almost on a weekly basis - and complete ammunition for BBC detractors. May as well do away with the corporation now.

You can just seen the headlines now: "Over-75s refuse to pay licence fee to racist BBC"


From what I've read, the family of the victim asked the BBC to use the full word to highlight the severty of the attack. Whether that is right or not, I don't know.


As the word has been banished for many years now and met with horror if any person says it, especially if a white person says it, then I would say it shouldn't have been said.

I'd like to think I'm rational thinking, such as surely it comes down to context and relevance. If it was a black reporter would the same people who have complained been out in force to complain and people resigning? I'm not too sure to be fair.
CH
chris Granada North West Today
You've got to admire the way in which the BBC is continually on a mission to self-destruct, the latest crisis being the appallingly misjudged use of the racist n-word in a Points West / BBC News channel report, which has seen a 1Xtra DJ quit in disgust.

I'm sure that can't be classed as a 'crisis' when reporting a news story. It was even preceded by the statement "This report includes racially offensive language".

Furthermore:
Quote:
"The victim's family were anxious the incident should be seen and understood by the wider public.

"It's for this reason they asked us specifically to show the photos of this man's injuries and were also determined that we should report the racist language, in full, alleged to have been spoken by the occupants of the car."


However, I'm sure your attitude will help fan the flames for those who see being 'permanently offended' as a profession.

Can you give examples of the other crises "almost on a weekly basis" in which the BBC have been embroiled?


What if the attacker had said “you’re a c*nt” and the family had asked for it to be aired at 10am on BBC Two? The BBC have to be able to justify this on their own terms and I’m not sure they can.
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CU
Custard56 Recently warned London

Can you give examples of the other crises "almost on a weekly basis" in which the BBC have been embroiled?


That was an exaggeration on my part, admittedly, though we're never far from BBC News looking incompetent:

2019 - Naga Munchetty's Trump comments, prompting an apology and retraction from Lord Hall
2019 - removal of laughter from a report featuring a Question Time clip. BBC admits it was a mistake
2020 - Emily Maitlis / Dominic Cummings editorial at start of Newsnight. BBC admits it was a mistake
2020 - use of racist 'n' word in BBC News report, prompting apology from Lord Hall

... On top of which, the BBC is not exactly flavour of the month with the over-75s without pension credit.
Last edited by Custard56 on 9 August 2020 6:40pm
JO
Jonwo

Can you give examples of the other crises "almost on a weekly basis" in which the BBC have been embroiled?


That was an exaggeration on my part, admittedly, though we're never far from BBC News looking utterly incompetent:

2019 - Naga Munchetty's Trump comments, prompting an apology and retraction from Lord Hall
2019 - removal of laughter from a report featuring a Question Time clip. BBC admits it was a mistake
2020 - Emily Maitlis / Dominic Cummings editorial at start of Newsnight. BBC admits it was a mistake
2020 - use of racist 'n' word in BBC News report, prompting apology from Lord Hall

... On top of which, the BBC is not exactly flavour of the month with the over-75s without pension credit.


I'm still waiting for Naga and Emily to resign and be poached by GMB.....
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HO
House Tyne Tees Look North (North East)


I'd like to think I'm rational thinking, such as surely it comes down to context and relevance. If it was a black reporter would the same people who have complained been out in force to complain and people resigning? I'm not too sure to be fair.


One of my problems is the reporter wasn’t using the word, they were quoting someone else using it. If they were reporting on a trial and this had been said in court, I’m not sure anyone would be questioning it being repeated in a news report.

It’s also clearly not true that the words was banished long ago, given you don’t have to look far to find it used prominently in music. I understand it has a different connotation when used by a black artist compared to a white person, but does place it more into the offensive category than actually banished. There are so many offensive words - racial, anti-Semitic, homophobic, misogynistic... I’m not convinced the word in question is so much worse than some of those others that it deserves special treatment in reporting.
SO
Soupnzi London London
House posted:


I'd like to think I'm rational thinking, such as surely it comes down to context and relevance. If it was a black reporter would the same people who have complained been out in force to complain and people resigning? I'm not too sure to be fair.


One of my problems is the reporter wasn’t using the word, they were quoting someone else using it. If they were reporting on a trial and this had been said in court, I’m not sure anyone would be questioning it being repeated in a news report.

It’s also clearly not true that the words was banished long ago, given you don’t have to look far to find it used prominently in music. I understand it has a different connotation when used by a black artist compared to a white person, but does place it more into the offensive category than actually banished. There are so many offensive words - racial, anti-Semitic, homophobic, misogynistic... I’m not convinced the word in question is so much worse than some of those others that it deserves special treatment in reporting.

Even if it was said in court...even if a major politician said it, the reporter wouldn’t repeat it. They would probably refer to ‘the N word’. That’s the point...we all know what the word is. It was a catastrophic editorial decision, though I doubt anyone will get fired. They never do at the BBC.

On your second paragraph, it’s a word which IS worse than some of the others you allude to. The bottom line is it shouldn’t have been used. Not least from the mouth of a white person.

I’m interested to know why if it appeared on the 1830 Points West, did it go on their late bulletin also? That has never been mentioned. If it didn’t, had there been complaints after the first broadcast? Also did the newsreader (on PW and then on BBC NC) issue a warning before the report? Not that that would mitigate using the word, but it would be even worse if they hadn’t.
SL
Shaun Linden Anglia (West) Look East (West sub-opt)
House posted:


I'd like to think I'm rational thinking, such as surely it comes down to context and relevance. If it was a black reporter would the same people who have complained been out in force to complain and people resigning? I'm not too sure to be fair.


One of my problems is the reporter wasn’t using the word, they were quoting someone else using it. If they were reporting on a trial and this had been said in court, I’m not sure anyone would be questioning it being repeated in a news report.

It’s also clearly not true that the words was banished long ago, given you don’t have to look far to find it used prominently in music. I understand it has a different connotation when used by a black artist compared to a white person, but does place it more into the offensive category than actually banished. There are so many offensive words - racial, anti-Semitic, homophobic, misogynistic... I’m not convinced the word in question is so much worse than some of those others that it deserves special treatment in reporting.


I'm fully aware it's used in music. Artists need to look at themselves. If young people are listening to songs with those words in no wonder some then go on to use them. But that's a whole different story.
NL
Ne1L C Recently warned Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
This is a tricky one, the word itself is abhorrent and rightly not used by anyone with half a braincell. Yet the family themselves requested the word be repeated on the report. The BBC in my opinion couldn't on this occasion do right for doing wrong. If they hadn't had used the word then the family would have been aggrieved. They did and got carpeted.

The BBC may have been able to reduce offence by explaining in a rider that the word is offensive but was used in the context of the report.
SO
Soupnzi London London




Good thread there. (I didn’t want to link to his second tweet as it contains ‘the C word’. But victims don’t dictate how a news story is covered.
ST
Stuart West Country (West) Spotlight
This thread has now drifted away from TV pres, on to whether people can say certain words depending on the colour of their own skin. It's ridiculous and has no place here,

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