Forget the "West of England"... I've only just realised which region is actually the most artificial: Calendar (South/East)!!!!
Think about it... S Yorks county + N parts of midlands + most of Lincs + E Yorks (and/or "Humberside") + N parts of Norfolk. What kind of an insane geographic area is that?! It's ridiculous!
It is worth bearing in mind that Gloucestershire and Wiltshire are officially part of South-West England (in terms of Government Regions anyway).
Perhaps, but that doesn't really reflect the views of those inside the region. I, really, don't care what's going on in Cornwall and I'm sure they don't care what's going on in Bristol ...
If you look at this map of the ceremonial/geographical counties of England, you'll see it is No 34 on the map
Unfortunately, Wikipedia is not a great choice of source for trying to prove something!
No, especially with all this Gerry Adams nonsense going on at the moment (if you don't know what I'm talking about, look him up and read the discussion part of his entry!!).
If you look at this map of the ceremonial/geographical counties of England, you'll see it is No 34 on the map
Unfortunately, Wikipedia is not a great choice of source for trying to prove something!
True enough, but I've seen it print too. Easier to direct to a website than scan something, how lazy of me I believe that map was taken from
Enc Brit
anyway, although that is dubious according to some
Anyway, Bristol is still a separate county from Gloucestershire-- Wikipedia or not
Forget the "West of England"... I've only just realised which region is actually the most artificial: Calendar (South/East)!!!!
Think about it... S Yorks county + N parts of midlands + most of Lincs + E Yorks (and/or "Humberside") + N parts of Norfolk. What kind of an insane geographic area is that?! It's ridiculous!
True! Belmont is a good example of transmitter being built for reception purposes rather than to serve a geographic area. In terms of geo regions it covers part of the East Mids, a slice of East Anglia and a portion of Yorkshire!!
Northern/central Lincs would've only got a grainy signal from Waltham and Emley, signal being blocked by the Lincs Wolds and the Lincoln Edge. I imagine the signal from Emley would be blocked by the Yorks Wolds for some parts of the East Riding too. So a transmitter had to built in the Lincolnshire Wolds.
I presume when YTV created the Calendar South region, they included Sheffield seeing as the Belmont region is predominantly rural. BBC Look North Hull, which only covers Belmont's catchment area is hardly rich in news outside Hull
BTW: Humberside was officially abolished in 1996, but Humberside Police/Fire, Humberside Airport and BBC Radio Humberside still exist.
The northern side of Humberside became the county of the East [Riding of] Yorkshire (the unitary authorities of EROY and Kingston-upon-Hull) and the south side returned to Lincolnshire (the UAs of North Lincs and NE Lincs)
My parents live 2 miles from the centre of Yeovil, on the hill behind the town. In the village in which they live some people get HTV West. Others Westcountry and a selected few Meridian. (HTV Wales is also pretty clear). For this reason its clear to see why Yeovil is a local news blackspot. Still its alaeays handy to be able to know whats going on in Southend in Essex, Anglesea in North Wales and Jersey!
I remember a fair rew years back a company won a contract to cable the town and create a "Yeovil channel" to there was consistant local news. So come on Virgin Media.. get digging!
BTW: Humberside was officially abolished in 1996, but Humberside Police/Fire, Humberside Airport and BBC Radio Humberside still exist.
The northern side of Humberside became the county of the East [Riding of] Yorkshire (the unitary authorities of EROY and Kingston-upon-Hull) and the south side returned to Lincolnshire (the UAs of North Lincs and NE Lincs)
Cheers for info.
That's pretty much what I though was the case.
Except (for some reason) I'd got it into my head that the "East Riding of Yorkshire" consists of not only the former "northern side of Humberside", but also stretches as bit further north and/or west too, rather than being literally exactly one-and-the-same thing.
Hence why I've thus far been in the habit of saying things like: "East Yorkshire (or at least the "Humberside" bit)".
So, anything that has a border with the ex-"northern Humberside" (but was never
in
Humberside) is all definately part of "North Yorkshire", then (as opposed to being part of the current "East [Riding of] Yorkshire")???
So, anything that has a border with the ex-"northern Humberside" (but was never
in
Humberside) is all definately part of "North Yorkshire", then (as opposed to being part of the current "East [Riding of] Yorkshire")???
Pretty much... except East Yorkshire also borders the City Of York, which is technically not part of North Yorkshire.
I presume when YTV created the Calendar South region, they included Sheffield seeing as the Belmont region is predominantly rural. BBC Look North Hull, which only covers Belmont's catchment area is hardly rich in news outside Hull
The dodgy split of the YTV region is probably a case of public perception of a split service. 2 bulletins = more local = better which was started by the BBC rather than any attempt to split the region fully in two
In reality due to the transmitter areas and story sharing it seems that the West/North version covers everywhere except Hull and Lincolnshire, with the East/South version covering everywhere except West Yorkshire and the dales
You've also got the West/North programme currently using a view of York in the background. This being York which is apparantly in the overlap with Tyne Tees!
True! Belmont is a good example of transmitter being built for reception purposes rather than to serve a geographic area. In terms of geo regions it covers part of the East Mids, a slice of East Anglia and a portion of Yorkshire!!
Belmont was originally an Anglia transmitter when it opened.
BTW: Humberside was officially abolished in 1996, but Humberside Police/Fire, Humberside Airport and BBC Radio Humberside still exist.
The northern side of Humberside became the county of the East [Riding of] Yorkshire (the unitary authorities of EROY and Kingston-upon-Hull) and the south side returned to Lincolnshire (the UAs of North Lincs and NE Lincs)
Cheers for info.
That's pretty much what I though was the case.
Except (for some reason) I'd got it into my head that the "East Riding of Yorkshire" consists of not only the former "northern side of Humberside", but also stretches as bit further north and/or west too, rather than being literally exactly one-and-the-same thing.
Hence why I've thus far been in the habit of saying things like: "East Yorkshire (or at least the "Humberside" bit)".
So, anything that has a border with the ex-"northern Humberside" (but was never
in
Humberside) is all definately part of "North Yorkshire", then (as opposed to being part of the current "East [Riding of] Yorkshire")???
Pretty much right: The
historic
East Riding went further north and west. It stretched to the Vale of Pickering in the north, and the River Ouse in the west.
In 1974 the ER was abolished. The northern scarp of the Wolds (Acklam-Staxton-Filey) ended up in North Yorkshire, as did the ER west of the River Derwent (Barlby-Wheldrake). The rest of the ER ended up in Humberside, along with Goole/Snaith/Rawcliffe area-- formerly in the West Riding.
Although Humberside was scrapped in 1996, its boundaries with N-Yorks and S-Yorks were retained to form the current East Riding of Yorkshire out of convenience.
The term "East Yorkshire" became popular in the 1980s, when North Wolds District (based at Pocklington) changed its name to East Yorkshire District, in defiance to Humberside. Beverley District then changed its name to the East Yorkshire Borough of Beverley District. These two districts disappeared along with Humberside, but the parliamentary constiuency of East Yorkshire (based on the former district) still exists.
Since Humberside was scrapped in 1996, East Yorkshire has become shorthand for the 1996 ceremonial/geographic county of the East Riding of Yorkshire (bear in mind EROY's UA doesn't cover the whole of the new county)-- influenced by North/West/South Yorkshire no doubt.
As for York not being in North Yorksihre-- I don't believe that's true.
In 1974, York became part of North Yorkshire. In 1996 the City of York expanded it boundaries slightly and became a UA, but
still
remains entirely within the
geographic/ceremonial
county of North Yorkshire.
Quite why Ordnance Survey decides to place it within its East Yorkshire street atlas, as well as its North Yorkshire atlas, is beyond me!!
As a side note: Interestingly York 'belonged' to none of the ridings historically. The boundaries of the ridings emanated out the city in a Y shape.
