London and Granada remain unchanged? Both regions' programmes are significantly filled with fluff to fill gaps - Granada at least produces some quality journalism!
You mean Itv's super slow London weather forecast and chat isn't quality journalism
Also if a few months down the line and itv can't afford to provide lookaround and 90mins opt outs might they say screw it and give the area to stv?
I can't see it, unless Lookaround is so expensive that it costs more than what ITVplc gain in advertising for the area.
As for the proposals, meh. It's just yet another nail in the coffin for regional ITV. I think it should be afforded some dignity and put out of its misery, for old times' sake, as it's only going to get ever worse and disappear entirely eventually anyway.
Lookaround is heavily reliant on video journalists, costs have been saved by downsizing the newsroom in Carlisle after selling the Border TV studios and they'll continue to share facilities at ITV Tyne Tees in Gateshead.
Regarding ITV News London. The content from the other ITV regions may have helped the Channel 6 licences compete on a more equal level with the ITV bulletin and BBC London News, however, I can't see Ofcom having great faith in London Live with the full length coverage on ITV News London.
I don't know why they are bothering with a split Calendar again, it only existed for about 2 years of YTV's history and doesn't have any historical tradition like Central or West/Westcountry. The BBC's split programme from Hull is apparently not always that great. I'd personally prefer full 30 mins of news with a 5 min split round up for this region, like they've had for most of the last 30 years.
Will also be interesting to see what Border Scotland gets for it's 90 minutes per week. Scotland Tonight seems like the easy option. Would mean three different late evening news bulletins from Newcastle - Tyne Tees, Border England and the Border Scotland opt in Scotland Tonight.
And probably a lot of half hour filler to meet the next network junction. Hope the people of Galashiels like Grimefighters, The Dales etc
Most of the Week ITV1 goes to 'The Store' at 12-1am. Therefore I think Border (if they took Scotland Tonight) would just be like STV and be the same schedule as the rest of the network, but with a 30 min delay. Simples. Same for Wales if it has an extended 15 min bulletin.
STV are totally different from network late evening/overnight
If Wales and Border Scotland are on 'delay' until The Store or Nightscreen, what are the technical implications? Would ITV need extra 'playout/presentation' staff to handle the different schedule?
Lunchtime news is reduced again? what going to fill the slot from to take it up to next junction? I wonder how STV will take this. Could there just stick to the current 6min format and just run the programmes as there do now?
I presume STV (and UTV) would have objected if they considered this a huge issue. I guess either they will air less adverts/trailers or reduce the length of their own lunchtime bulletins. Likewise at weekends.
I don't know why they are bothering with a split Calendar again, it only existed for about 2 years of YTV's history and doesn't have any historical tradition like Central or West/Westcountry. The BBC's split programme from Hull is apparently not always that great. I'd personally prefer full 30 mins of news with a 5 min split round up for this region, like they've had for most of the last 30 years.
Will be interesting to see how much unique content there is for Calendar East. Probably an extended opt would have sufficed, say 10 minutes. The benefits will probably be more noticeable with the shorter lunchtime, early evening and weekend bulletins though. If they can't fill 5 minutes with sub-region news then that would be very poor
Lunchtime news is reduced again? what going to fill the slot from to take it up to next junction? I wonder how STV will take this. Could there just stick to the current 6min format and just run the programmes as there do now?
I presume STV (and UTV) would have objected if they considered this a huge issue. I guess either they will air less adverts/trailers or reduce the length of their own lunchtime bulletins. Likewise at weekends.
I think the later will be more likely, run straight into the next programme.
What is the deal with ads during the local news. Historically the regional news contained ads but for the last decade or so on most nights it hasn't, except when ITV are showing football and it may contain both an ad during it and an ad following it. On nights when they show ads, does 20 minutes still have to be local?
I believe this was a wasted opportunity for ITV/Ofcom to agree to merge their unloved monthly Pan-Regional Political Programmes into 2 x 10 minute Pan-Regional weekly segments within the 30 minute Regional News. This would then attract the maximum audience possible and be more up to date than a monthly programme. This would leave ITV with just the three 10 minute segments to fill too...
That would have made sense. However local politicians think they're at the centre of the universe and would have kicked up a huge stink about losing the half hour given to them every week to talk to each other on ITV (because God knows no-one else is watching...)
On the Border Scotland proposal - in theory the region should really have been given over to STV. However, it seems a good compromise position, as I'm sure ITV would have fought the loss of any part of its licence. The area is also so out of proportion in terms of the sizes of the other Scottish regions that people in the borders have more chance of seeing their areas on telly under the current set-up as well, and I accept they have a lot in common with the border region in England.
Knowing that Politicans as a whole think they're God's gift, I'm surprised they didn''t want to be on the Box when people are actually watching it. They could still have their little chat after a Report...
I think this will be controversial but the BBC too could probably merge their own limited Regional Programming into their 30 minute Evening Regional News programme too. The 20 minute Regional opt-out of 'Sunday Politics' could become 2 x 10 minute segments, while the contents of 'Inside Out' could fill the other 10 minute segments. This would still allow for 20 minutes (sub) Regional News coverage within the programme...the BBC programme also tends to suffer from being padded out in my opinion. This way more people get to see the BBC and ITV's limited Regional programming within their more Entertainment based schedules.
Although with this idea there could be some job cuts within the BBC (TV) and ITV, we could see the more Localised services of BBC Local Radio, Local Newspapers, the fledging Local TV stations etc benefit from this situation...(although I think there is a case for so-called local Commercial Radio Stations such as Heart, Capital and the rest to include slightly more Current/Political Affairs Reports within their limited News programming).
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So for Tyne Tees/Border what's the new arrangements? Will Tyne Tees & Border each get a 30 minute programme (including the 10 Mins 'out of region' content) or is it 20 minutes local then 10 minutes come together for 'out of region'?
And as for other bulletins will they all now become full separate Tyne Tess and Border daybreak, lunchtime & weekends? But if border Scotland take Scotland Tonight (which is just speculation at this point?) how it's going to work? Will Tyne Tees & Border England both get a separate bulletin- I'm surprised its that cost effective for that smaller border England region? However, I suppose contents already there in one respect.
Or will Tyne Tees & Border England get a joint late? But this will provide a shorter less localised bulletin for Tyne Tees. Or could Border Scotland have its ITV branded late bulletin before it goes to Scotland Tonight, allowing them to have a separate region wide border late and separate Tyne Tees late bulletin, which will have to happen on Fridays anyways with Scotland tonight not airing on Fridays.
Also ITV would be exceeding there 90 Mins Scottish programming quota by airing Scotland tonight four times, that would give them 120 minutes a week of Scottish programming.
So for Tyne Tees/Border what's the new arrangements? Will Tyne Tees & Border each get a 30 minute programme (including the 10 Mins 'out of region' content) or is it 20 minutes local then 10 minutes come together for 'out of region'?
And as for other bulletins will they all now become full separate Tyne Tess and Border daybreak, lunchtime & weekends? But if border Scotland take Scotland Tonight (which is just speculation at this point?) how it's going to work? Will Tyne Tees & Border England both get a separate bulletin- I'm surprised its that cost effective for that smaller border England region? However, I suppose contents already there in one respect.
Or will Tyne Tees & Border England get a joint late? But this will provide a shorter less localised bulletin for Tyne Tees. Or could Border Scotland have its ITV branded late bulletin before it goes to Scotland Tonight, allowing them to have a separate region wide border late and separate Tyne Tees late bulletin, which will have to happen on Fridays anyways with Scotland tonight not airing on Fridays.
Also ITV would be exceeding there 90 Mins Scottish programming quota by airing Scotland tonight four times, that would give them 120 minutes a week of Scottish programming.
So many questions(!!)
To answer the known ones, Tyne Tees & Border will split later in the year for all bulletins. TT will have 20 mins + 10 min wider stories
Lookaround will have full 30 mins of regional news for D&G, Borders and Cumbria. Late bulletins not sure how they will work with/if Border take ST.
Also ITV would be exceeding there 90 Mins Scottish programming quota by airing Scotland tonight four times, that would give them 120 minutes a week of Scottish programming.
Worth noting though that Scotland Tonight takes some time off during the Summer/over Christmas and includes regional news. And if ITV did simulcast it, they
could
not show it when they have football highlights at 2235. So it wouldn't be an average of 120 minutes a week, but slightly less
Plus if ITV don't want to pay for/produce their own Scottish programming Scotland Tonight maybe a better option than simulcasting Moviejuice or The Nightshift...
