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Question Time & The BNP

(October 2009)

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TR
TROGGLES
I'm not sure which sickened me the most The BNP trying to justify its policies or the young woman shouting 'shame on you BBC' in the foyer. No No NO to censorship, even if you wear a wooly hat luv. As for Mr Griffin - people can make up their own minds. None of the panel were particularly good, all were pompous. The Booing of Margaret Beckett on a previous QT was much more entertaining Smile
RM
Roger Mellie
TVN posted:
I always think its hilarious that so-called anti-fascists demonstrate in attempt to block the views of a political party. Vile or not, nobody has any right to say that they cannot air their views peacefully (if Griffin said to go out and shoot a few foreigners that would be a different matter), as the democratic process will ensure that they never gain any meaningful power.

Personally I think the Respect party is vile... but not many people would support me if I tried to ban it (even though it is as far to the left as the BNP is to the right), and indeed I do not believe it should be banned. Although Galloway should be barred from public office for inciting crime (assasination of TB).

To cut to the chase, well done to the BBC for standing their ground.


I'd agree with you there. For such protestors to censor views of a political party, makes those protestors as extreme as the likes of the BNP-- doublethink to me! To split hairs, I would point out that the BNP isn't actually " far -right", as erroneously stated in the media, but actually "far-authoritarian"-- thus neo-fascist (bearing in mind there are two interconnected political spectra).

Anyway I think the audience gave Griffin enough rope to hang himself, that the other panelists took him to task. I do agree that at times Griffin was 'unfairly' interrupted; but often he tried to evade the question, so Dimbers was in his right to do so on those occasions.

Hopefully viewers realised just how vile Griffin is; better than letting such views fester corrosively in the background, I would say.

The BNP legitmately won two seats in EP elections, plus they have several elected councillors across the country; so they have as much right to go on QT, as other minor parties-- for better or worse (latter in my view!)
JR
jrothwell97
They should've invited Shami Chakrabarti, Iain Dale and Richard Dawkins.

Anyway, for the tuppence my two cents are worth, I thought the programme was excellent: Dimbleby did an excellent job by ensuring none of the politicians (except, perhaps, Chris Huhne, who was rather sub-par anyway) got an easy ride. Bonnie Greer was also superb, staying calm and collected as she demolished Griffin's (or, as I prefer to call him, A***wipe Supreme of the Fascist C**thive of Britain) hypocritical, ignorant and indecisive blather.

The only thing that could've improved it is if Paxman had appeared on a platform rising through the floor, partway through, with some recordings of Griffin's more extreme speeches. Wink

Anyway, I think the BBC were right to invite him on: no matter how odious his views are, he was "democratically" elected (ignoring the fact the turnout was so low the minor parties were bound to gain more traction) and he can no longer complain that hippie lefty bias in the media is gagging him (although he is still spinning every last drop of venom out of the situation, claiming it was like a "mob".)

And now, a joke: what's the difference between Nick Griffin and Adolf Hitler? A bullet in the cranium.
TV
tvmercia Founding member
i find the politics of the bnp distasteful.

however, i also wholly support the considered editorial position which has been explained by the bbc.

i am increasingly irritated by the over the top, childish reaction from some quarters. the bbc invited him on, he was questioned on the main issues. why can't the electorate be trusted to draw their own conclusions, which for the most part will be that the party is unfit for government.

comments like

A***wipe Supreme of the Fascist C**thive of Britain) hypocritical, ignorant and indecisive blather.


are just silly, they impress no one.

he was "democratically" elected (ignoring the fact the turnout was so low the minor parties were bound to gain more traction)


erm. he was either democratically elected or he wasn't. unless there has been some major problem with the poll that hasn't come to light, the turnout was sufficient to return him to office.

and he can no longer complain that hippie lefty bias in the media is gagging him (although he is still spinning every last drop of venom out of the situation, claiming it was like a "mob".)


peaceful the demo may have been, but imagine the protesters had have been there for the other side. moving from behind control barriers, blocking the road and trying to gain access to the studios. i think the word mob would have been used to describe what went on outside. in my eyes, as well meaning as the people may have been, at the end of the day they were trying to prevent free speech.

in terms of what went on in the studio, given the incredible build up of countless politicians and commentators stating the obvious about their flawed policies, i really did want to hear, without constant interruption, what he had to say - and for his responses to be challenged appropriately.

perhaps in that sense, question time was never going to deliver on that score - a head to head with paxman is probably the only way to get beyond the posturing.

And now, a joke: what's the difference between Nick Griffin and Adolf Hitler? A bullet in the cranium.


the major criticisms of the bnp are that they are a hateful thuggish organisation, and yet you think its acceptable to write such infantile rubbish.

you really do know how to undermine quite a serious point.
IS
Inspector Sands
They should've invited Shami Chakrabarti, Iain Dale and Richard Dawkins.

If they'd wanted to give Griffin an easy ride! I've got a lot of time for all of them, especially Dawkins but political heavyweights they're not. And tokenism (one ethnic minority, one gay person, one atheist) wouldn't really be that constructive
NG
noggin Founding member
They should've invited Shami Chakrabarti, Iain Dale and Richard Dawkins.

If they'd wanted to give Griffin an easy ride! I've got a lot of time for all of them, especially Dawkins but political heavyweights they're not. And tokenism (one ethnic minority, one gay person, one atheist) wouldn't really be that constructive


Yes - and I think you have to have representation of the mainstream parties for the show to work don't you? Any one of those people would have been a good candidate to replace the non-politician role that Bonnie Greer was cast in - but she held her own pretty well anyway.
BA
bilky asko
What would be the right medium? A Nazi rally?

Why did you suggest a Nazi rally in your reply, Gavin?

Are you trying to fuel media misconceptions or just making an uninformed statement hoping that nobody will question your obvious error?


Many political scientists of course, argue that the BNP is in fact a far left 'fascist' entity; an idea that I don't exactly disagree with myself. These links are just the first I saw...
http://www.conservativefuture.com/2009/02/01/fight-left-wing-bnp/ http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2009/02/why-bnp-is-left-wing-and-fascist.html
http://www.ukypforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=4280
http://www.shanegreer.com/2009/02/01/left-and-right/

I think it helps if you have a grasp of horse-shoe politics.


The Nazis were fascist. The BNP are sometimes described as fascist (despite millions of other possible descriptions). Even if both are/were fascist, it doesn't make them equal.

All humans are mammals, but not all dogs (who are all mammals) are humans - as you may know, no dogs are humans.

If anything, the BNP is quite sedate in its policies.
GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
If anything, the BNP is quite sedate in its policies.


I see.

I've learned something from our exchange at least.
MI
Michael

If anything, the BNP is quite sedate in its policies.


Perhaps. If compared with Robert Mugabe.

The BNP stands for the sedate removal of non-whites from the UK and the sedate state-sponsored discrimination against foreign nationals (wonder if that includes Americans, Australians etc - you know, white English-speaking foreigners?). The BNP stands for sedate state discrimination against homosexuals. The BNP stands for sedate capital punishment. The BNP stands for sedate reduction in foreign economic trade. The BNP stands for the sedate invasion and subjugation of the Republic of Ireland. The BNP stands for the sedate refusal to engage with the UN and NATO in peacekeeping in parts of the world still suffering from the end of Empire.

Yeh, they're all a bunch of puppies. Aaawwww. You just want to cuddle them.

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