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NG
noggin Founding member
They have TC3 unused at the weekend also, but ITV don’t have a lot of live or magazine type programmes at the weekend.


TC3 is set-standing though. There is no way they are going to strike GMB or This Morning's sets for a weekend show.

ITV may not have many magazine shows - but other channels might have, and there is no reason for them to be live weekend shows. Money is money after all... If ITV Daytime have a studio free for 2 days, better to get some financial return on it than not surely?

But, ITV do not own TC3, they are only subletting it, so wouldn't there be a problem if they did try to use/sell TC3 space over the weekend? It is not their studio to rent out. It is BBC Studioworks right?


It's my understanding that ITV Daytime have bought out the studio permanently for the duration of the contract. It's their's to use 365 days of the year.

My understanding is, therefore, that it is likely to be ITV's to sublet - but there would obviously need to be discussions with Studioworks and payments for Studioworks crew who were needed to guarantee the facilities.

I may be wrong - but a buyout is a buyout.

(Unless the ITV/BBC deal means that ITV can sell back the space to the BBC for the BBC to re-sell, in return for a reduced contract payment)
JK
JKDerry

TC3 is set-standing though. There is no way they are going to strike GMB or This Morning's sets for a weekend show.

ITV may not have many magazine shows - but other channels might have, and there is no reason for them to be live weekend shows. Money is money after all... If ITV Daytime have a studio free for 2 days, better to get some financial return on it than not surely?

But, ITV do not own TC3, they are only subletting it, so wouldn't there be a problem if they did try to use/sell TC3 space over the weekend? It is not their studio to rent out. It is BBC Studioworks right?


It's my understanding that ITV Daytime have bought out the studio permanently for the duration of the contract. It's their's to use 365 days of the year.

My understanding is, therefore, that it is likely to be ITV's to sublet - but there would obviously need to be discussions with Studioworks and payments for Studioworks crew who were needed to guarantee the facilities.

I may be wrong - but a buyout is a buyout.

(Unless the ITV/BBC deal means that ITV can sell back the space to the BBC for the BBC to re-sell, in return for a reduced contract payment)

BBC Studioworks own the studios. It is part of their business, it says so on their website. It is sub-let to ITV under contract, and ITV are not stupid, they know it is a BBC Studio premise, and would have to arrange an agreement with BBC Studioworks.

Studio TC3 was a brilliant big studio, but now with permanent sets for GMB and This Morning, it can not be hired out to other productions. Those sets are just too big and too obvious centred for those shows. TC2 on the otherhand can be hired, as those sets are easily taken down. But I do not see ITV trying to use both studios to their own advantage, there is simply not enough space or time.
NG
noggin Founding member

BBC Studioworks own the studios. It is part of their business, it says so on their website.


Yes - BBC Studioworks own the TV Centre TV Studio business. They have leased the studio and ancillary capacity from the owners of the long-term lease of the site, Stanhope (or whoever they are called this week). The BBC retain the Freehold.

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It is sub-let to ITV under contract, and ITV are not stupid, they know it is a BBC Studio premise, and would have to arrange an agreement with BBC Studioworks.


Yes - my understanding is that it is bought-out by ITV under contract, and that ITV have the rights to use TC2 and TC3 7 days a week, 52 weeks of the year as part of their contract (i.e. they don't pay a daily rate, and thus pay on a usage basis but instead they pay an agreed buy-out figure, however much or little they actually use the facilities). That's their buy-out, and the framework of their buy-out. I may be wrong - but that is definitely the perceived wisdom in the wider industry.

Whether there is a clause in ITV Daytime's contract with Studioworks that precludes them from "selling on" spare capacity under their buyout deal I don't know. If there were such a clause I'd expect there were also clauses that allow ITV Daytime to receive compensation when they agree to this excess capacity being sold on by Studioworks, and obviously they'd have to agree to it.

However I wouldn't be surprised if ITV had framed their contract with Studioworks to allow them to sub-hire to third parties, but with co-operation from Studioworks. There will be a lot of ITV Daytime-specific equipment in ITV's galleries (PCs running iNews, Servers on ITV post production networks, graphics boxes connected to ITV systems, vision mixers and screen processors with specialised set-ups etc.), so it would definitely make sense for ITV to have a lot of input into other users of the studio so that these systems aren't impacted.

Staffing is a separate issue - I have no idea how the staffing deal between ITV and Studioworks will have been framed for Studioworks support staff working in TC2 and TC3.

There will obviously need to be agreement between ITV Daytime and BBC Studioworks as to how TC2's downtime is handled - if it is. However the framework could work in multiple ways.
JK
JKDerry

BBC Studioworks own the studios. It is part of their business, it says so on their website.


Yes - BBC Studioworks own the TV Centre TV Studio business. They have leased the studio and ancillary capacity from the owners of the long-term lease of the site, Stanhope (or whoever they are called this week). The BBC retain the Freehold.

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It is sub-let to ITV under contract, and ITV are not stupid, they know it is a BBC Studio premise, and would have to arrange an agreement with BBC Studioworks.


Yes - my understanding is that it is bought-out by ITV under contract, and that ITV have the rights to use TC2 and TC3 7 days a week, 52 weeks of the year as part of their contract (i.e. they don't pay a daily rate, and thus pay on a usage basis but instead they pay an agreed buy-out figure, however much or little they actually use the facilities). That's their buy-out, and the framework of their buy-out. I may be wrong - but that is definitely the perceived wisdom in the wider industry.

Whether there is a clause in ITV Daytime's contract with Studioworks that precludes them from "selling on" spare capacity under their buyout deal I don't know. If there were such a clause I'd expect there were also clauses that allow ITV Daytime to receive compensation when they agree to this excess capacity being sold on by Studioworks, and obviously they'd have to agree to it.

However I wouldn't be surprised if ITV had framed their contract with Studioworks to allow them to sub-hire to third parties, but with co-operation from Studioworks. There will be a lot of ITV Daytime-specific equipment in ITV's galleries (PCs running iNews, Servers on ITV post production networks, graphics boxes connected to ITV systems, vision mixers and screen processors with specialised set-ups etc.), so it would definitely make sense for ITV to have a lot of input into other users of the studio so that these systems aren't impacted.

Staffing is a separate issue - I have no idea how the staffing deal between ITV and Studioworks will have been framed for Studioworks support staff working in TC2 and TC3.

There will obviously need to be agreement between ITV Daytime and BBC Studioworks as to how TC2's downtime is handled - if it is. However the framework could work in multiple ways.

With GMB and This Morning in TC3 for the majority of the year, except over Christmas, Easter, it makes that studio unusable for around 49 weeks of the year. The sets will never be dismantled for the weekends, far too much hassle, those huge sets, so unless some production are happy to use the current GMB/This Morning sets, that studio is tied with those two shows for the next 4/5 years.


TC2 is a different matter, as the sets are easily taken down. They are not permanent. Weekends at TC2 can be provided, it is just who does the hiring? ITV or BBC Studioworks. If ITV have the right, then I feel a small percentage of the income will go to BBC Studioworks, it is theirs after all.

What show however would want to use TC2, and at weekends? It was great for Strictly It Takes Two last year, which is now moved right into Elstree with the main show. I do not know what studio they are using, either Stages 8 or 9 I presume?
DO
dosxuk

With GMB and This Morning in TC3 for the majority of the year, except over Christmas, Easter, it makes that studio unusable for around 49 weeks of the year. The sets will never be dismantle...


Did you read a single word of noggin's post? Rolling Eyes
SP
Steve in Pudsey
As has been said, they used to build a set for ITV sport in front of the GMTV set (when GMTV was a different company from ITV I think).

I think the GMB set could be redressed to do links into sports highlights and a bit of pundit discussion quite easily.
ST
Stuart
I think the GMB set could be redressed to do links into sports highlights and a bit of pundit discussion quite easily.

They re-lit the GMB set last year for a discussion programme (on Grenfell, I believe). I suspect that sort of change could be even easier in their new larger set with the big screen behind the desk.
AS
ASR
https://youtu.be/kG8AiI6gOc8
Stuart and Steve in Pudsey gave kudos
GE
thegeek Founding member
Where does the football highlights come from now?


Last I read it is now being broadcast from the same complex as BT Sport in East London.

Correct. Laat seen last Tuesday for the Nations League (at roughly the same time as another studio was doing the BBC's NFL show)
NG
noggin Founding member
As has been said, they used to build a set for ITV sport in front of the GMTV set (when GMTV was a different company from ITV I think).

I think the GMB set could be redressed to do links into sports highlights and a bit of pundit discussion quite easily.


Yes - though that's a different kettle of fish to re-setting.
UB
UBox
Some tweets today of the set and a hint of the graphics. Set looks beautiful.





NE
Newsroom24
UBox posted:
Some tweets today of the set and a hint of the graphics. Set looks beautiful.







Agree, looks fantastic.

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