Anne MacKenzie Fan, every single one of your responses to BBC LDN demonstrate that you
completely
misunderstand and miss-the-point of
everything
that BBC LDN is saying!
Yet, the kind of language and explaination you use in your own posts shows that you
are
very intelligent, articulate (etc). It is therefore completely inexplicable as to how you are misunderstanding him.
I'm sorry. I'm normally loathed to posts criticising others, rather than actually being about TV.
I guess the sheer amount of *stupid* misinterpretation on TVF, occasionally bothers me (99% of the time I rise above it and ignore it).
I wish I hadn't bothered posting my above message, as soon as I'd posted it. I'm just as much of an pedant as the next man.
As they say in Thailand......"Leelak. Jus leelak."
I loved the original Nationwide and the most memorable episode that I ever remember was when our regional tv presenter from Scotland, Mary Marquis, was a guest presenter for one week down in London, and she was interviewing a rather grumpy old ex soldier, who kept banging his fists on the desk and his walking cane on the floor!!!!
She handled in superbly.........those were the days.
Thanks for the comments..I have certainly taken them on board and I will have to admit that I may be wrong when it comes to an international based show, but I still think that Scotland is short changed in the news stakes!
I think that while BBC Reporting Scotland is not the best option I would fear that a Nationwide styled programme would limit the news of another service here in Scotland to just a few minutes-is that a good thing? I am no nationalist; indeed I lived in Surrey and my husband is from London, but I still feel that Scotland should get more from the BBC in the way that it covered.
Splitting BBC Scotland up into various ITV styled areas may work, but I cannot help thinking that this would make my licence fee pay yet another plants, sofa and coffee table programme. I think that perhaps the Newsnight Scotland route of serious, investigative news is one to develop..yet QMD cannot extend this show.
I ask what options do we seriously have for Scotland to have a well edited national and also regional news format within 20 - 30 minutes?
Orginally, my main concern had to be with the prospect of Scotland having a joke of news programmes; Scotland Today and North Tonight are going down the pan..Reporting Scotland is no better. BBC bosses say that they always look into Scottish news - they never do anything about it though. Newsnight Scotland is not the best solution at all, and I really think that a proper all in one evening news programme would be a good idea.
If not the BBC, perhaps SKY News Scotland could lead the way and give us something to look forward to watching every night! I note they sometimes have a brief summary of stories outside Ireland during SKY News Ireland's two evening bulletins..I think that would be a good idea for Scotland. The Scottish Six was far from perfect, but at least it was getting brains working as to what would be a better programme for Scotland..the results of which are still to be seen (no surprise).
Whatever happens, I just want a better news service for Scotland.
As Richard Taylor said a few posts ago, there are not enough regional contribution circuits to produce the programme anywhere other than London - probably why Nationwide was made in London in the first place. They would probably just manage to make it if they parked a scanner near the chosen NPC and uplinked the programme to London by Satellite and used the contribution circuits to carry stuff into the scanner, but that's hardly a cheap option and if they make the programme at 3SixtyMedia (Granada) using the regional contribution circuits might not be an option anyway.
Agreed there are no studios in England outside of London anymore, but its not true that there aren't enough regional contribution circuits. Between Manchester and London there are 8 in each direction (some via Birmingham) and Manchester has two circuits to/from each of Glasgow/Belfast/Newcastle and Leeds, plus satellite downlink facilities for up to four feeds recently installed, so if it was to be anywhere, it would have to be Manchester. The space that was the main studio is still there in Manchester (it was used to film the interiors for "Life on Mars" series recently) and it could be used with a drive-in scanner with the above contribution circuits.
I worked on a week long sequence of programmes on Nationwide in the late 70s where it came from a different part of the Yorkshire region each night and we linked in many different contributions. And that was before we had widespread satellite facilities and many less contribution circuits (2 to London and 1 from). It was a busy week!
Someone has made the point that there will be fewer LIVES and two-ways if a Scottish six. Well that's tosh as N24 continues at 6pm to do LIVES and two-ways while the 6 O'Clock News is on-air. .
Yes but as BBC LDN states there are resource implications to doing that (simultaneous live 2-ways) that would mean an increase in costs.
Someone has made the point that there will be fewer LIVES and two-ways if a Scottish six. Well that's tosh as N24 continues at 6pm to do LIVES and two-ways while the 6 O'Clock News is on-air. .
Yes but as BBC LDN states there are resource implications to doing that (simultaneous live 2-ways) that would mean an increase in costs.
I agree with your point..but I think that any programme would not mirror the exact BBC Six O'Clock News from London.
A Glasgow based programme would NEVER have the same resources as a London based one, but Reporting Scotland already has many live broadcasts..they problem being the editorial relevance of when they are used. Sometimes more analysis can be done on reports...this is another route which any editor's may choose.
However, I do see your point and see where you are coming from.
I agree with BBC LDN. I've just got a feeling that the news will be slightly worse without all the resources London has.
I think the best way to do this is to increase Reporting Scotland's time to 45 minutes (or so), split the bulletin and keep the main 6 as it is. Or even have a Scottish-opt out of the 6 when they are discussing English and Welsh only issues. That way, we still get UK and International issues with all the resources (like virtual studios, live links, interviews) London has but get rid of the irrelivant issues.
As Richard Taylor said a few posts ago, there are not enough regional contribution circuits to produce the programme anywhere other than London - probably why Nationwide was made in London in the first place. They would probably just manage to make it if they parked a scanner near the chosen NPC and uplinked the programme to London by Satellite and used the contribution circuits to carry stuff into the scanner, but that's hardly a cheap option and if they make the programme at 3SixtyMedia (Granada) using the regional contribution circuits might not be an option anyway.
Agreed there are no studios in England outside of London anymore, but its not true that there aren't enough regional contribution circuits. Between Manchester and London there are 8 in each direction (some via Birmingham) and Manchester has two circuits to/from each of Glasgow/Belfast/Newcastle and Leeds, plus satellite downlink facilities for up to four feeds recently installed, so if it was to be anywhere, it would have to be Manchester. The space that was the main studio is still there in Manchester (it was used to film the interiors for "Life on Mars" series recently) and it could be used with a drive-in scanner with the above contribution circuits.
I worked on a week long sequence of programmes on Nationwide in the late 70s where it came from a different part of the Yorkshire region each night and we linked in many different contributions. And that was before we had widespread satellite facilities and many less contribution circuits (2 to London and 1 from). It was a busy week!
Yes - or you could treat the remote studio in a similar manner to a news show presented from a location. In other words you put your presenters and your studio production in an OB or a 3rd party studio, and this works in to a gallery in London. You then only need one reverse vision circuit from London to the OB to carry a feed for an in-vision plasma or similar (ideally the links both ways would not be satellite...), but the cuts between the OB and the remote contributions would be made in London. (This is just the same as a BBC World or News 24 show presented from a remote location, where a presenter in Washington interviews a guest in Los Angeles, but both feeds are actually coming into London and being cut in the BBC World gallery, not in the US...)
Interesting that they will make it in one of the network production centres rather than London. For a start they no longer have network studios in Bristol or Birmingham and secondly if they're to have contributions into the networked programme like Nationwide did it's a little bit more difficult technically than it is into London.
Don't see how they can. Not enough regional contribution circuits. Unless someone is switching stuff in London back up to the NPC?
Yep - the only sensible ways of doing it from a non-London studio would be to :
a) Hub the OS contributions in London and use a couple of reverse visions (using contribution circuits) to the remote studio to feed OSs that have been fed into London. Effectively you bounce OSs between the two feeds, now and next style.
b) Treat the remote studio (or OB) as a source into a London gallery, and produce the show from two galleries, in the same way as News work when a news show is presented from a remote location. When Huw presents the Ten O'Clock News from the Westminster bubble studio (with the Parliament backdrop), all his outside sources are still going into the main News studio in London.
You could potentially use a reverse vision circuit (one contribution circuit) for a reverse vision to feed an in-vision plasma - if you can get a fibre or microwave link with low latency. (Satellite might be too delayed for this application)
Interesting that they will make it in one of the network production centres rather than London. For a start they no longer have network studios in Bristol or Birmingham and secondly if they're to have contributions into the networked programme like Nationwide did it's a little bit more difficult technically than it is into London.
Don't see how they can. Not enough regional contribution circuits. Unless someone is switching stuff in London back up to the NPC?
Yep - the only sensible ways of doing it from a non-London studio would be to :
a) Hub the OS contributions in London and use a couple of reverse visions (using contribution circuits) to the remote studio to feed OSs that have been fed into London. Effectively you bounce OSs between the two feeds, now and next style.
b) Treat the remote studio (or OB) as a source into a London gallery, and produce the show from two galleries, in the same way as News work when a news show is presented from a remote location. When Huw presents the Ten O'Clock News from the Westminster bubble studio (with the Parliament backdrop), all his outside sources are still going into the main News studio in London.
You could potentially use a reverse vision circuit (one contribution circuit) for a reverse vision to feed an in-vision plasma - if you can get a fibre or microwave link with low latency. (Satellite might be too delayed for this application)
As BBC World do every evening when they present the programme from Washington
I'm normally loathed to posts criticising others, rather than actually being about TV.
