North West Tonight

The satellite mapping has created some rather 'unnatural' regions. For example, S42, S43, S44 and S45 have BBC East Midlands and ITV Yorkshire on satellite, roughly equating to the Bolsover + NE Derbyshire districts, excluding Dronfield.

In the middle of that: S40/41, Chesterfield is its own district and is mapped to Look North Leeds.

These changes appear to have happened when EMT lost most of Lincolnshire to Look Levy, even though terrestrial signals from the East Midlands don't reach that far north in Derbyshire.

Edale is in S33, which includes Hope Valley and contains a number of relays of Emley Moor. I have not had the opportunity to test the current mapping for S33, but where I have tested, the second part of the postcode seems to have no bearing on the regional selection, so mapping S33 would force the Upper Derwent Valley into BBC NW as well.

I can only think that someone in the BBC has been trying to align regions with local district council boundaries, e.g that all of High Peak council's area should sit with BBC NW, which would explain Edale, but not Bakewell, which is Derbyshire Dales.

I would have thought the only people in the area that have affinity to Manchester would possibly be commuters (including BBC staff) who have bought homes in the area and not the original locals of the area....

ITV regions (from looking at their ad sales maps) are much more closely aligned to actual terrestrial coverage constraints across Derbyshire.

I know the area very well, but I'm not sure that S42, S43, S44 and S45 where BBC East Midlands, back in 2014; S42 was Look North Leeds when I lived there.

Clay Cross (S45) is predominantly served from Emley Moor with a few aerials pointing south to Waltham. Moving south to Alfreton, the town is predominantly Waltham.

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I tried these postcodes on an old Manhattan Freesat receiver a couple of years back and was surprised to see Bolsover, Clowne, Wingerworth and Grassmoor getting BBC E Mids on 101, Yorkshire on 103. All of these areas + Clay Cross are clearly not traditional E Mids territory.

My suspicions were aroused when East Midlands Today started featuring stories from a little further north than I expected.

Update - tried a few more combinations, and I have found a break in the S42 area:
S42 5** is BBC E Mids / ITV Yorks E
S42 4** is BBC Yorks / ITV Yorks W


S33 7ZA Edale Visitor Centre is BBC Yorks / ITV Yorks W

DE45 1BT Bakewell Pudding Shop is BBC E Mids / Central E

It’s all rather interesting (and nerdy). I’m very close to the border of Glossop/Greater Manchester. Aside from those who like to to have Derbyshire as their address, Glossop is by all intent, a Greater Manchester suburb. Buxton is still a trek and from a NHS point of view, it’s Tameside or Stockport.

With Derbyshire being firmly an East Midlands county, it’s ironic the fact that the northern parts of the county are served by TV and Radio regions that are more relevant to those areas. Nottingham/Derby is a long way from Glossop.

Then again, you could say that about Barrow in Furness and Manchester.

The interesting thing with the Derbyshire coverage issues is that while viewers in Buxton and border areas of the High Peak are more likely to be served locally by Salford based news bulletins, when there's a countywide issue, it's EMT that will cover it and doesn't cover Northern Derbyshire.

However I can't fault the NWT bulletins covering Whaley Bridge recently, they've been on top of it.

Editorially, I suspect there is a much looser definition of where each region lies as people in neigbouring towns will often have an interest in stories from there, more than those on the other side of the region.

It's exactly what the Internet was invented for, keep it going!

Agreed, Glossop to Derby is only 49 miles, but its hellish journey either via Buxton to Ashbourne, or down through Bakewell to Matlock then the A6.

I've got family in Chesterfield and they certainly have more in common with Yorkshire than East Midlands.

Not going to far back but I think Glossop very nearly became part of Greater Manchester back in the 1970s, hence why the boundary between Cheshire/Lancashire and modern Tameside is very strange past Glossop.

I know having lived in Glossop and worked in Manchester it does certainly feel part of Greater Manchester. I cant recall listening to Radio Derby but Radio Manchester and Key 103 were the staples before High Peak Radio started.

Funny that you mention that, because it feels like 99% of the time, EMT's definition of North Derbyshire, is anywhere north of Belper, much to the detriment of those living in the Dales.

S42 6 - BBC Yorks / ITV Yorks W



I've found the border!

This brand new roundabout on the A61 Clay Cross-Chesterfield:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.1735043,-1.4163179,3a,75y,66.62h,83.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEHbh8h2uB1A8ZA4d7WcBKg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

McDonalds (right) is BBC East Midlands / ITV Yorkshire E (S45) and The Six Halts Pub (left) is BBC Yorkshire / ITV Yorkshire W (S42 6**).

Bears no link to actual terrestrial coverage or local district boundaries. The TV aerial on McDonald's points to Emley.


2.23 km further south on the A61 https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.1541811,-1.4134694,3a,75y,154.98h,83.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sch4DYiBPjw-f99ksJN5Iog!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

and this is the point BBC East Mids/ ITV Yorkshire E becomes BBC East Mids/ ITV Central E

^^ Yep, I'd agree with that.