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newsreaders and laptops

whats going on ? (December 2004)

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JA
jamesmd
Steve in Pudsey posted:
Interesting that the Leeds variant of Look North only have computers on-set for the short bulletins, both at the old studio and in the new one.


http://thetvroom.com/area-b/images-bbc-north/images-2004/main-1.jpg

The laptops appear to be on the sofa in between Harry and Christa.
PE
Pete Founding member
BBC WORLD posted:
If we're speaking purely of cost implications, the cost of a huge glass insert (a al BBC World desk) must extend into thousands of pounds. A laptop must surely be equally expensive. So, where's the saving?

Also, whilst on the subject of commercial cost implications, doesn't the current Breakfast studio cost an absolute fortune to use and dismantle daily? That being the case, would it not be commercially sensible to use the current N24 Breakfast set up for Breakfast on a permanent basis? I thought that was the whole point of the probable co-habitation between N24 AND Breakfast AND the One Oclock News?


It's not PVC double glasing you know, it's just a bit of glass. World would need to invest in two brand new laptops which would cost approx £1400, bit of glass, £100 at most.

Breakfast's set, along with all the other sets in TC7, is modular. Everything is just trundled around for the next show. Working Lunch used to use loads of bits of the Breakfast set. The cost is in staffing and the fact it's a much larger studio than little N8.
MO
Moz
I presume the problem with using N24's set for Breakfast is that they'd lose the 3 hours when it's not used which I presume they use at the moment for cleaning, maintenance etc.
NG
noggin Founding member
Moz posted:
I presume the problem with using N24's set for Breakfast is that they'd lose the 3 hours when it's not used which I presume they use at the moment for cleaning, maintenance etc.


They coped for about 3 years with the News 24 set and gallery on air 24/7 in the days of a split Breakfast News on BBC One, News 24 Breakfast on News 24 service. It was only with the launch of "Breakfast" that the News 24 team got a short break - which is now available for maintenance, training, screentesting etc.

However the other shows that come from the current Breakfast Studio (Working Lunch, Newsround, Newsnight etc.) share some of the staffing - so removing Breakfast might not save as much money as first seems the case - though it may well save some.

The reduction in production values that would result from removing Breakfast from a "proper" studio (with decent lighting, camera operation etc.) and moving it into News 24s operation (with fixed lighting, no camera balancing, entirely remote camera operation etc. ) might not be deemed worth the saving. Then again in the current climate it might be...
MA
Marcus Founding member
Hymagumba posted:


It's not PVC double glasing you know, it's just a bit of glass. World would need to invest in two brand new laptops which would cost approx £1400, bit of glass, £100 at most.
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Not even glass. Just a bit of perspex.

Worlds relaunch cost a fraction of News24's. Ironic as BBC World has about 500 viewers for each one News24 has
MB
Media Boy
BBC WORLD posted:
Dermot

If we're speaking purely of cost implications, the cost of a huge glass insert (a al BBC World desk) must extend into thousands of pounds. A laptop must surely be equally expensive. So, where's the saving?

Also, whilst on the subject of commercial cost implications, doesn't the current Breakfast studio cost an absolute fortune to use and dismantle daily? That being the case, would it not be commercially sensible to use the current N24 Breakfast set up for Breakfast on a permanent basis? I thought that was the whole point of the probable co-habitation between N24 AND Breakfast AND the One Oclock News?

Cheers,
James


You do a Breakfast from the News 24 set Monday to Friday and without doubt your production values would go DOWN. The fact that Breakfast in the week is distinctive as compared to the other output is very important.

As for the ONE moving to 24 - I doubt it will happen soon. By the end of the year its looking as if 24 will be the most watched news channel in the UK (thanks probably to freeview set sales) - so management will be very reluctant to prevent it' rolling' should a news story break during this time. I think the savings will be more towards the production staff, in which case its entirley probable that some of the 24 team will produce a bulletin which is transmitted from N6, in the way that the production teams share responsibility at weekends.

But as noggin says - in this current climate - anything goes.....
BN
Breakfast News
Media Boy posted:
The fact that Breakfast in the week is distinctive as compared to the other output is very important.


What do you mean by that?
MB
Media Boy
Breakfast News posted:
Media Boy posted:
The fact that Breakfast in the week is distinctive as compared to the other output is very important.


What do you mean by that?


Well its like saying why does't Newsnight come from News 24 isn't it?

Breakfast is an agenda setting programme that gives people the news of the day in an accessible way reflective of what people are doing at that time of the day.... plus its a very important programme for BBC News. Set's should reflect the programmes values - not the other way round.

To do 7 days a week from N8 would no doubt have quality implicatins on the programme, its values and hence its audience.
BN
Breakfast News
Media Boy posted:
Breakfast News posted:
Media Boy posted:
The fact that Breakfast in the week is distinctive as compared to the other output is very important.


What do you mean by that?


Well its like saying why does't Newsnight come from News 24 isn't it?

Breakfast is an agenda setting programme that gives people the news of the day in an accessible way reflective of what people are doing at that time of the day.... plus its a very important programme for BBC News. Set's should reflect the programmes values - not the other way round.

To do 7 days a week from N8 would no doubt have quality implicatins on the programme, its values and hence its audience.


I see now, thanks for explaining - so having Breakfast from N24 7 days a week isn't high on the agenda of changes then?
IT
itsrobert Founding member
Breakfast News posted:
Media Boy posted:
Breakfast News posted:
Media Boy posted:
The fact that Breakfast in the week is distinctive as compared to the other output is very important.


What do you mean by that?


Well its like saying why does't Newsnight come from News 24 isn't it?

Breakfast is an agenda setting programme that gives people the news of the day in an accessible way reflective of what people are doing at that time of the day.... plus its a very important programme for BBC News. Set's should reflect the programmes values - not the other way round.

To do 7 days a week from N8 would no doubt have quality implicatins on the programme, its values and hence its audience.


I see now, thanks for explaining - so having Breakfast from N24 7 days a week isn't high on the agenda of changes then?


It isn't on the agenda.
BN
Breakfast News
itsrobert posted:
It isn't on the agenda.


Funny, Marcus said in another thread it is an option being looked at.
MB
Media Boy
Breakfast News posted:
itsrobert posted:
It isn't on the agenda.


Funny, Marcus said in another thread it is an option being looked at.


Doing Breakfast from 24 for the week between Xmas and New Year - many people believed that it was a trial for moving it there from TC7 permanently and the gossip started. Management probably have/are considering it - as anyone who has to make Mark Thompsons cuts would do - its sensible business sence to do so. However, as I mentioned before, BBC Breakfast is an important programme in the portfolio of BBC News and the editor wants the best for the programme and will fight hard to make sure that the accountants dont ruin it.

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