SP
The obvious example of a news programme with the presenter's name in the title... John Craven's Newsround
SO
Apart from the days when John Craven wasn't presenting, when it was just Newsround.
The obvious example of a news programme with the presenter's name in the title... John Craven's Newsround
Apart from the days when John Craven wasn't presenting, when it was just Newsround.
CI
Nicky, you are suggesting that news voiceovers came in in the early 1990s, but actually, ITN had voiceovers for First Report, News at One, and News at 5:45, between about 1974 and 1987. When Leonard Parkin retired from News at One, the programme went through a minimalist period without a voiceover, only getting them back for a short while in the original News at 12:30 silver incarnation, losing them again when the colour scheme changed to Salmon Pink and Dark Brown.
By contrast, BBC News only used voiceovers on the 1984-1993 incarnation of the Six O'Clock News, the 1986-1993 incarnation of the One O'Clock News, and the 1985-1988 incarnation of the Nine O'Clock News. Channel 4 News & Five News have never used voiceovers. The original incarnation of World News on the Channel 4 Daily did have voiceover introductions, that was when Carol Barnes was main programme host, but when Dermot Murnaghan took over, the voiceovers were dropped. ITN World News only gained a voiceover around 1994, prior to that, no voiceovers were used.
I really think the introduction of voiceovers signalled a step towards the American way of doing things. The ITN of the '90s in particular seemed to be gravitating towards American-style presentation, you only have to watch the any of the 1992-1999 NAT bulletins to see how US-influenced the whole look is (and that is actually one of my favourite looks for a news programme). The presentation from the newsroom on the early '90s ITV bulletins also reminds me of US cable news networks of the time, right down to the world map in the background. In fact I think I recall reading that ITN actually brought in a US design consultancy to oversee the various relaunches at that time.
Nicky, you are suggesting that news voiceovers came in in the early 1990s, but actually, ITN had voiceovers for First Report, News at One, and News at 5:45, between about 1974 and 1987. When Leonard Parkin retired from News at One, the programme went through a minimalist period without a voiceover, only getting them back for a short while in the original News at 12:30 silver incarnation, losing them again when the colour scheme changed to Salmon Pink and Dark Brown.
By contrast, BBC News only used voiceovers on the 1984-1993 incarnation of the Six O'Clock News, the 1986-1993 incarnation of the One O'Clock News, and the 1985-1988 incarnation of the Nine O'Clock News. Channel 4 News & Five News have never used voiceovers. The original incarnation of World News on the Channel 4 Daily did have voiceover introductions, that was when Carol Barnes was main programme host, but when Dermot Murnaghan took over, the voiceovers were dropped. ITN World News only gained a voiceover around 1994, prior to that, no voiceovers were used.
MA
Would love to listen to that especially if they ditch the VoiceOver in January! I wonder if someone will ever release the whole set of voiceovers.
Ive got quite a few ITV News voiceovers on mp3...might have a file with lots pasted together...will have a rummage and see what I can find.
Theres a few that I am still looking for such as Brigid Nzeku and Jon Gilbert
Theres a few that I am still looking for such as Brigid Nzeku and Jon Gilbert
Would love to listen to that especially if they ditch the VoiceOver in January! I wonder if someone will ever release the whole set of voiceovers.
CI
Their's came in with the 1993 GRFX/Novocom look, and I think it's been pretty consistent ever since. ITV News between 2004 and 2009 dropped voiceovers, only re-introduce with the current look.
What abouy Sky, when did their voiceover get introduced?
Their's came in with the 1993 GRFX/Novocom look, and I think it's been pretty consistent ever since. ITV News between 2004 and 2009 dropped voiceovers, only re-introduce with the current look.
IT
Nicky, you are suggesting that news voiceovers came in in the early 1990s, but actually, ITN had voiceovers for First Report, News at One, and News at 5:45, between about 1974 and 1987. When Leonard Parkin retired from News at One, the programme went through a minimalist period without a voiceover, only getting them back for a short while in the original News at 12:30 silver incarnation, losing them again when the colour scheme changed to Salmon Pink and Dark Brown.
That bit is partially correct - although I'm guessing that you have based this on TV Ark's chronology? This is unfortunately the downside of TV Ark not correcting inaccuracies.
Leonard Parkin retired in July 1987 and News at One was immediately replaced by News at 12:30 (the minimalist silver look). The 1230 programme kept the voiceovers - albeit updated, obviously. The 1230 didn't last very long - by early 1988 it had moved back to 1pm - at which point it kept the minimalist silver look but dropped the voiceovers. The News at One was then rebranded in September/October 1989 with the salmon pink and dark brown look, as you stated. The programme then moved back to 12:30pm when the Gulf War started in January 1991, before being renamed the Lunchtime News in 1992. TV Ark's chronology is all over the place - they have them in totally the wrong order.
News at 5:45 kept voiceovers through the April 1988 rebrand, but these were eventually dropped when the programme moved to 5:40pm in February 1989. They wouldn't be used on the early evening bulletin again until March 1992.
Overall then, ITN had voiceovers on at least one programme between the early 1970s and 1989; and again between 1992 and 2004. As you implied, that accounts for much of ITN's history, so quite where Nicky gets the idea that the introdution of voiceovers signalled a move towards Americanisms, I don't know.
itsrobert
Founding member
I really think the introduction of voiceovers signalled a step towards the American way of doing things. The ITN of the '90s in particular seemed to be gravitating towards American-style presentation, you only have to watch the any of the 1992-1999 NAT bulletins to see how US-influenced the whole look is (and that is actually one of my favourite looks for a news programme). The presentation from the newsroom on the early '90s ITV bulletins also reminds me of US cable news networks of the time, right down to the world map in the background. In fact I think I recall reading that ITN actually brought in a US design consultancy to oversee the various relaunches at that time.
Nicky, you are suggesting that news voiceovers came in in the early 1990s, but actually, ITN had voiceovers for First Report, News at One, and News at 5:45, between about 1974 and 1987. When Leonard Parkin retired from News at One, the programme went through a minimalist period without a voiceover, only getting them back for a short while in the original News at 12:30 silver incarnation, losing them again when the colour scheme changed to Salmon Pink and Dark Brown.
That bit is partially correct - although I'm guessing that you have based this on TV Ark's chronology? This is unfortunately the downside of TV Ark not correcting inaccuracies.
Leonard Parkin retired in July 1987 and News at One was immediately replaced by News at 12:30 (the minimalist silver look). The 1230 programme kept the voiceovers - albeit updated, obviously. The 1230 didn't last very long - by early 1988 it had moved back to 1pm - at which point it kept the minimalist silver look but dropped the voiceovers. The News at One was then rebranded in September/October 1989 with the salmon pink and dark brown look, as you stated. The programme then moved back to 12:30pm when the Gulf War started in January 1991, before being renamed the Lunchtime News in 1992. TV Ark's chronology is all over the place - they have them in totally the wrong order.
News at 5:45 kept voiceovers through the April 1988 rebrand, but these were eventually dropped when the programme moved to 5:40pm in February 1989. They wouldn't be used on the early evening bulletin again until March 1992.
Overall then, ITN had voiceovers on at least one programme between the early 1970s and 1989; and again between 1992 and 2004. As you implied, that accounts for much of ITN's history, so quite where Nicky gets the idea that the introdution of voiceovers signalled a move towards Americanisms, I don't know.
CI
That bit is partially correct - although I'm guessing that you have based this on TV Ark's chronology? This is unfortunately the downside of TV Ark not correcting inaccuracies.
Most of that post came from memory, although I did use TV-Ark to check where my memory was less certain.
The Salmon Pink and Brown ones are definitely in the wrong order. Not so sure on the silver ones, didn't think the 12:30 move was immediately after Leonard Parkin retired, though I could be wrong, as I would have been a bit more concerned with exams rather than TV presentation around that era.
Nicky, you are suggesting that news voiceovers came in in the early 1990s, but actually, ITN had voiceovers for First Report, News at One, and News at 5:45, between about 1974 and 1987. When Leonard Parkin retired from News at One, the programme went through a minimalist period without a voiceover, only getting them back for a short while in the original News at 12:30 silver incarnation, losing them again when the colour scheme changed to Salmon Pink and Dark Brown.
That bit is partially correct - although I'm guessing that you have based this on TV Ark's chronology? This is unfortunately the downside of TV Ark not correcting inaccuracies.
Most of that post came from memory, although I did use TV-Ark to check where my memory was less certain.
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Leonard Parkin retired in July 1987 and News at One was immediately replaced by News at 12:30 (the minimalist silver look). The 1230 programme kept the voiceovers - albeit updated, obviously. The 1230 didn't last very long - by early 1988 it had moved back to 1pm - at which point it kept the minimalist silver look but dropped the voiceovers. The News at One was then rebranded in September/October 1989 with the salmon pink and dark brown look, as you stated. The programme then moved back to 12:30pm when the Gulf War started in January 1991, before being renamed the Lunchtime News in 1992. TV Ark's chronology is all over the place - they have them in totally the wrong order.
The Salmon Pink and Brown ones are definitely in the wrong order. Not so sure on the silver ones, didn't think the 12:30 move was immediately after Leonard Parkin retired, though I could be wrong, as I would have been a bit more concerned with exams rather than TV presentation around that era.
NI
Perhaps I should have utilised the word "re-introduction" rather than "introduction" in that original post! As you both rightly mention, ITN has been using voiceovers on bulletins for most of its existance - but I must point out that I was writing my post with the 1990s-era ITN in mind. As we all can view from watching ITV News programmes from that time and reading the relevant newspaper articles, ITN was becoming increasingly influenced by the presentation of American cable news networks - NAT 1992 being a real case in point: the "cable news network"-style studio, the single anchor, the beginning of a more "human" editorial stance (that last aspect didn't become obvious till later, but the seed is there in the 1990s bulletins).
The re-introduction of the voiceover in 1992 was, for me, only a part of that move towards the US way of presenting the news. The whole manner in which it is spoken feels more CNN than the 1970s/1980s voiceovers. The language is more or less exactly the same as the voiceovers of before - but the enunciation and emphasis on words definitely feels as if it comes straight from the states. ("From the headquarters of ITN"... "the NEWS "... and so on.)
Then again, one might argue that ITN has modelled itself on American TV news since it began, voiceovers included. But how anyone can argue that the 1980s BBC and 1990s ITN voiceovers sound uniquely British is beyond me - the entire manner of speech and enunciation is straight out of the US.
Sorry for any confusion... and sorry if none of what I've written makes sense.
Nicky, you are suggesting that news voiceovers came in in the early 1990s, but actually, ITN had voiceovers for First Report, News at One, and News at 5:45, between about 1974 and 1987. When Leonard Parkin retired from News at One, the programme went through a minimalist period without a voiceover, only getting them back for a short while in the original News at 12:30 silver incarnation, losing them again when the colour scheme changed to Salmon Pink and Dark Brown.
Overall then, ITN had voiceovers on at least one programme between the early 1970s and 1989; and again between 1992 and 2004. As you implied, that accounts for much of ITN's history, so quite where Nicky gets the idea that the introdution of voiceovers signalled a move towards Americanisms, I don't know.
Perhaps I should have utilised the word "re-introduction" rather than "introduction" in that original post! As you both rightly mention, ITN has been using voiceovers on bulletins for most of its existance - but I must point out that I was writing my post with the 1990s-era ITN in mind. As we all can view from watching ITV News programmes from that time and reading the relevant newspaper articles, ITN was becoming increasingly influenced by the presentation of American cable news networks - NAT 1992 being a real case in point: the "cable news network"-style studio, the single anchor, the beginning of a more "human" editorial stance (that last aspect didn't become obvious till later, but the seed is there in the 1990s bulletins).
The re-introduction of the voiceover in 1992 was, for me, only a part of that move towards the US way of presenting the news. The whole manner in which it is spoken feels more CNN than the 1970s/1980s voiceovers. The language is more or less exactly the same as the voiceovers of before - but the enunciation and emphasis on words definitely feels as if it comes straight from the states. ("From the headquarters of ITN"... "the NEWS "... and so on.)
Then again, one might argue that ITN has modelled itself on American TV news since it began, voiceovers included. But how anyone can argue that the 1980s BBC and 1990s ITN voiceovers sound uniquely British is beyond me - the entire manner of speech and enunciation is straight out of the US.
Sorry for any confusion... and sorry if none of what I've written makes sense.