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News at Ten - Weeknights on ITV1

"You might notice a difference" from Monday (October 2007)

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JH
Jonathan H
Londoner posted:
Jonathan H posted:
http://www.rp-network.com/tvforum/uploads/trevornat.jpg
I don't think so. It looks like the two banks of the Thames each side of the skyline to me.

In that image you've got the dome of St Paul's on the left, then Blackfriars Bridge to the left of Trevor. On Trevor's right you can see the lightbox at the top of Tate Modern, then the Oxo Tower nearer the 2pm position of the clock. The view is definitely from the ITV complex on the South Bank.

Now that there are some additional shots of the new background, it looks like the panoramic skyline can't be taken from The London Television Centre, as it appears on the right-hand side of the background, along with the south bank and National Theatre.

http://image.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Media/Pix/pictures/2008/01/10/NewsAtTen460.jpg
http://www.utvtoday.co.uk/images/nat_preview6.jpg
MO
Moz
Jonathan H posted:
I don't think they were ever intended as a genuine reflection of the exact time of Big Ben's bongs. If they were, they'd need to include all of Big Ben's pre-amble chimes up to the hour and then have ten headline bongs!.

Don't get you there? Why would they need to include all of the chimes and bongs? They could still have the first bong at 10 on the dot, and use it as a device. I think it's stupid as it is as effectively Big Ben is 30 seconds late every Mon-Thu on ITV. How difficult would it be to get it on time? The BBC use their pips as a device in the News 24 countdown, using 11 main pips rather than the usual 6, but they still get the last one on the hour.

Jonathan H posted:
even Radio 4 play recorded chimes and bongs.

No they don't. Ever. Big Ben is always live on Radio 4. When it's out of action they go back to using the pips.
JH
Jonathan H
Moz posted:
Jonathan H posted:
I don't think they were ever intended as a genuine reflection of the exact time of Big Ben's bongs. If they were, they'd need to include all of Big Ben's pre-amble chimes up to the hour and then have ten headline bongs!.

Don't get you there? Why would they need to include all of the chimes and bongs? They could still have the first bong at 10 on the dot, and use it as a device. I think it's stupid as it is as effectively Big Ben is 30 seconds late every Mon-Thu on ITV. How difficult would it be to get it on time? The BBC use their pips as a device in the News 24 countdown, using 11 main pips rather than the usual 6, but they still get the last one on the hour.

I think we're talking at cross purposes. You seem to be saying that News at Ten and ITV ought to be able to schedule the programme to start early so that the first bong can be at exactly 10pm, and of course they could. I am simply saying that even back in the heyday of News at Ten, the iconic bong was never intended in itself as something by which you set your watch. It is a style, an adopted part of the programme and not really comparable to the pips in that sense. It is not specifically meant to be the first chime of Big Ben on the hour. Now of course, ITV could make it so, I'm just saying I don't think that is the aim of it. After all the years of argument over 'News at When', shouldn't we just be grateful the programme is going to start on time?
PE
Pete Founding member
Moz posted:
Jonathan H posted:
even Radio 4 play recorded chimes and bongs.

No they don't. Ever. Big Ben is always live on Radio 4. When it's out of action they go back to using the pips.


Moyles has mentioned that it is "against BBC law" to play the pips from tape.
JR
jrothwell97
Hymagumba posted:
Moz posted:
Jonathan H posted:
even Radio 4 play recorded chimes and bongs.

No they don't. Ever. Big Ben is always live on Radio 4. When it's out of action they go back to using the pips.


Moyles has mentioned that it is "against BBC law" to play the pips from tape.


Isn't that because they're fed down a direct line from the Greenwich Observatory? That's how it used to be.
BA
bilky asko
Moz posted:
...News 24 countdown, using 11 main pips rather than the usual 6, but they still get the last one on the hour.

Actually, It's when the headline music starts is when it is the top of the hour.
MO
Moz
bilky asko posted:
Moz posted:
...News 24 countdown, using 11 main pips rather than the usual 6, but they still get the last one on the hour.

Actually, It's when the headline music starts is when it is the top of the hour.

Well I think it may be 10 pips and then the thunderclap is the hour
SP
Steve in Pudsey
jrothwell97 posted:
Hymagumba posted:

Moyles has mentioned that it is "against BBC law" to play the pips from tape.


Isn't that because they're fed down a direct line from the Greenwich Observatory? That's how it used to be.


The legend was that it was a sackable offence to record the pips in case they were played out as live. Moyles has played them from tape - he used to use a 1980's Radio 1 Top Of The Hour jingle and backtimed it so the pips were at the right time. Inevitably he cocked it up on one occasion and had to explain that the pips weren't live.

Nowadays the pips are generated from atomic clocks in the basement of Broadcasting House.
RD
rdd Founding member
itsrobert posted:
Chie posted:
When did use of the theme in that 2002 Youtube clip begin and end?


That music was used from March 1999 until February 2004. However, in 2003 the opening music was tweaked to allow the bongs to be inserted randomly rather than fixed to the beat.


The music used by ITN from 1995-1999 (except for News at Ten) was substantially the same, although it had a different introduction (in fact, each bulitten had a different introduction to the theme).
SE
Square Eyes Founding member
Julie Etchingham's account of the run up to launch of News at Ten ;

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=507862&in_page_id=1879
:-(
A former member
Why do a lot of the press keep saying that its been around 9 years since the last News At Ten, they did bring it back in 2001, albeit different, but the name was still back and Trev.
BE
benjy
onetrickpony posted:
Why do a lot of the press keep saying that its been around 9 years since the last News At Ten, they did bring it back in 2001, albeit different, but the name was still back and Trev.


I guess that's the era ITV want people to forget (let's face it - was a bit of an embarrassment), and as you say, the press seem to be largely failing to mention it. Clever marketing really - ITV have hyped it up so much, that the previous failed attempt at bringing it back has been pretty successfully swept under the carpet.

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