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or retiring and giving someone else a shot?
Exactly.
You make it sound like it was his decision to ask himself to come out of retirement on a incredibly fat contract to boost a struggling channel's image.
He should try and become the next American President - afterall, he is an expert at comebacks lol.
I see your point gilsta - but he is the one who signs the contract. I do blame the bosses at ITV though for pinning their hopes on the nation's favourite newsreader yet again. I wonder if any other ITV newcaster will ever get a shot at this title though with Trev hogging the hot seat.
Is he really that good?
No, he's not that good anymore at all but nostalgia is a powerful thing. It does appear his contract is a short one to lead the relaunch and get some viewers back. In as little as a year's time he'll be done for good (and a far bit richer for his efforts) and hand over to Mark and Julie, you really can't blame the man for agreeing to it.
Why not get Burnet and Gall back if you want nostalgia. I remember News at Ten as those two, not a single headed immitation fronted by McDonald.
gilsta posted:
Anne MacKenzie Fan posted:
gilsta posted:
the eye posted:
Anne MacKenzie Fan posted:
the eye posted:
Has Trevor ever considered getting a new pair of glasses?
or retiring and giving someone else a shot?
Exactly.
You make it sound like it was his decision to ask himself to come out of retirement on a incredibly fat contract to boost a struggling channel's image.
He should try and become the next American President - afterall, he is an expert at comebacks lol.
I see your point gilsta - but he is the one who signs the contract. I do blame the bosses at ITV though for pinning their hopes on the nation's favourite newsreader yet again. I wonder if any other ITV newcaster will ever get a shot at this title though with Trev hogging the hot seat.
Is he really that good?
No, he's not that good anymore at all but nostalgia is a powerful thing. It does appear his contract is a short one to lead the relaunch and get some viewers back. In as little as a year's time he'll be done for good (and a far bit richer for his efforts) and hand over to Mark and Julie, you really can't blame the man for agreeing to it.
Why not get Burnet and Gall back if you want nostalgia. I remember News at Ten as those two, not a single headed immitation fronted by McDonald.
AN
I was making two different points, and don't wish them to be confused (ie one from "Joe Public" and one from my own viewpoint):
I don't believe that "Joe Public" will notice much difference, other than a darker backdrop in the studio - anymore than non-anoraks have been tempted to discuss the previous changes to the background in the "Theatre of News". I would hazard a guess that the vast majority of those viewing have no knowledge of the fact that the presenters are standing in a brightly lit green studio, and even fewer would care.
Being a card-carrying anorak-wearing enthusiast for TV presentation etc I do have more than a passing interest and knowledge of what I see on the screen though. I would've preferred ITV to have gone down the route of back-projection or LED screens to add realism rather than continuing with the use of CSO.
Surely the obvious reason for continuing with CSO is because that is what they have already got. How could you justify ITN spending millions of pounds to buy systems like BBC and SKY use thesedays to build a studio that looks exactly the same to viewers
Viewers probably think ITV and BBC use the same technology but just that BBC's is square and ITV's is round, in fact many people may think the BBC's technology is worse or older due to the fact that you can often see the joins on the screens
Andrew
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StuartPlymouth posted:
Jonathan H posted:
So on the one hand...
And yet...
So you seem to be saying that "Average Joe Public" will not notice the difference between the current ITV News programmes and the relaunched News at Ten, but that they would notice the difference (and more importantly care ) whether the presenter is looking at a 'real wall or a 'fake' wall?
I think you might be wrong on both counts. It's difficult to foresee a relaunch of this importance and magnitude for ITV being a half-hearted attempt. And I'd suggest that the vast majority of the viewing pubic really don't care which production tools are used for programmes - they just want the story told in an engaging manner.
StuartPlymouth posted:
The "new studio background" looks as though they spent moments thinking about it. Average Joe Public won't think it looks any different to the other ITV News programmes.
And yet...
StuartPlymouth posted:
Indeed, CSO technology has come along way as Hollywood has proved with some exceptional special effects. The ability to have cameras swinging around a studio and to have the background changed accordingly can look amazing. I don't doubt that ITV/ITN invested heavily when they introduced the "theatre of news" some years ago; but they aren't in the business of producing films with fictional storylines.
With the rapid development of large multiple back-projection or LED screen matrices in the last few years their decision to go down the CSO route looks wrong in my opinion.
News is about reality. Why have somebody holding a conversation with a green wall when the technology exists to have a real 8 foot tall screen in front of you (as Sky, BBC, Al-Jazerra etc demonstrate)?
With the rapid development of large multiple back-projection or LED screen matrices in the last few years their decision to go down the CSO route looks wrong in my opinion.
News is about reality. Why have somebody holding a conversation with a green wall when the technology exists to have a real 8 foot tall screen in front of you (as Sky, BBC, Al-Jazerra etc demonstrate)?
So you seem to be saying that "Average Joe Public" will not notice the difference between the current ITV News programmes and the relaunched News at Ten, but that they would notice the difference (and more importantly care ) whether the presenter is looking at a 'real wall or a 'fake' wall?
I think you might be wrong on both counts. It's difficult to foresee a relaunch of this importance and magnitude for ITV being a half-hearted attempt. And I'd suggest that the vast majority of the viewing pubic really don't care which production tools are used for programmes - they just want the story told in an engaging manner.
I was making two different points, and don't wish them to be confused (ie one from "Joe Public" and one from my own viewpoint):
I don't believe that "Joe Public" will notice much difference, other than a darker backdrop in the studio - anymore than non-anoraks have been tempted to discuss the previous changes to the background in the "Theatre of News". I would hazard a guess that the vast majority of those viewing have no knowledge of the fact that the presenters are standing in a brightly lit green studio, and even fewer would care.
Being a card-carrying anorak-wearing enthusiast for TV presentation etc I do have more than a passing interest and knowledge of what I see on the screen though. I would've preferred ITV to have gone down the route of back-projection or LED screens to add realism rather than continuing with the use of CSO.
Surely the obvious reason for continuing with CSO is because that is what they have already got. How could you justify ITN spending millions of pounds to buy systems like BBC and SKY use thesedays to build a studio that looks exactly the same to viewers
Viewers probably think ITV and BBC use the same technology but just that BBC's is square and ITV's is round, in fact many people may think the BBC's technology is worse or older due to the fact that you can often see the joins on the screens
PT
Why should we hope its used? Why should we go back to the 1990s?
Sorry, but these questions bother me about Mr Grade's logic.
As you were..
Sorry, but these questions bother me about Mr Grade's logic.
As you were..
NI
Yeah, let's hope its used. But what happens to the other bulletins?
My guessing is that the rest of the bulletins would remain similar in music and style, like the late '90s 'blue' look. I'd much rather want a more orchestral version to be used, in line with the new News at Ten (if they actually do use the 1992 music), though I don't think anything much (if anything!) will happen to the other programmes.
pad posted:
BBCNicky@Yorks posted:
The NaT promo just aired on ITV1; the theme music that played at the end of the trail seemed to be the 1992-1999 one. I much prefer that one to the other versions.
Yeah, let's hope its used. But what happens to the other bulletins?
My guessing is that the rest of the bulletins would remain similar in music and style, like the late '90s 'blue' look. I'd much rather want a more orchestral version to be used, in line with the new News at Ten (if they actually do use the 1992 music), though I don't think anything much (if anything!) will happen to the other programmes.
AS
http://tvfi.co.uk/News%20at%20Ten%20Trailer%202008.flv
Definitely sounds like a reworked version rather than the original to me. Sounding very good - more authoritative than the current one without being too over the top.
Asa
Admin
BBCNicky posted:
The NaT promo just aired on ITV1; the theme music that played at the end of the trail seemed to be the 1992-1999 one. I much prefer that one to the other versions.
http://tvfi.co.uk/News%20at%20Ten%20Trailer%202008.flv
Definitely sounds like a reworked version rather than the original to me. Sounding very good - more authoritative than the current one without being too over the top.
BR
Well that defeats the object of keeping the rest different doesn't it?
A great shame if there are no changes to other bulletins, which desperately need it - and remember the Evening News has been the channels most watched bulletin for the last nine years, even when News at Ten MKII was around.
This Late News thing really irritates me - as I said to begin with I think because of what happened from 2001-2004 ITV needed to show a five night a week commitment, and having "News at Ten" on at 11pm is making the same mistake they made back then.
If the bulletin on Friday is to be later, they need to make it clear it's because it's the weekend and switch from their weeknight branding to "ITV News".
itsrobert posted:
From what I've heard, new music has been composed and is still being tweaked as we speak. I gather than the other bulletins will remain the same as now, though the Friday late news will be in NAT's style.
Well that defeats the object of keeping the rest different doesn't it?
A great shame if there are no changes to other bulletins, which desperately need it - and remember the Evening News has been the channels most watched bulletin for the last nine years, even when News at Ten MKII was around.
This Late News thing really irritates me - as I said to begin with I think because of what happened from 2001-2004 ITV needed to show a five night a week commitment, and having "News at Ten" on at 11pm is making the same mistake they made back then.
If the bulletin on Friday is to be later, they need to make it clear it's because it's the weekend and switch from their weeknight branding to "ITV News".