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"You might notice a difference" from Monday (October 2007)

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KI
kitt22
Anyone got a capture of the video? It has been removed!

EDIT: Have just watched it http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mmtUFVXzha8

Awful editing/mixing Confused
ST
Steery
Does anyone think like me that the desk sticks out like a sore thumb, being so white? IMO if it could be toned down somwhat it might blend in more.
BR
Brekkie
Steery posted:
Does anyone think like me that the desk sticks out like a sore thumb, being so white? IMO if it could be toned down somwhat it might blend in more.



Completely agree - and the same for the "virtual" platform it's on too - looks awful! Why can't they use one similar to the clockface as seen in reports from the second VR studio over the last couple of years - that's always looks brilliant, and would work well here.
MD
mdtauk
The new floor, now can have a reflection of the background, because of the Green Screen. Also the background is no longer just a screen, it looks like a window from bottom to top.
EY
the eye
Has Trevor ever considered getting a new pair of glasses?
ST
STV Today
the eye posted:
Has Trevor ever considered getting a new pair of glasses?


or retiring and giving someone else a shot?
EY
the eye
Anne MacKenzie Fan posted:
the eye posted:
Has Trevor ever considered getting a new pair of glasses?


or retiring and giving someone else a shot?


Exactly.
GI
gilsta
the eye posted:
Anne MacKenzie Fan posted:
the eye posted:
Has Trevor ever considered getting a new pair of glasses?


or retiring and giving someone else a shot?


Exactly.


You make it sound like it was his decision to ask himself to come out of retirement on a incredibly fat contract to boost a struggling channel's image.
ST
STV Today
gilsta posted:
the eye posted:
Anne MacKenzie Fan posted:
the eye posted:
Has Trevor ever considered getting a new pair of glasses?


or retiring and giving someone else a shot?


Exactly.


You make it sound like it was his decision to ask himself to come out of retirement on a incredibly fat contract to boost a struggling channel's image.


He should try and become the next American President - afterall, he is an expert at comebacks lol.

I see your point gilsta - but he is the one who signs the contract. I do blame the bosses at ITV though for pinning their hopes on the nation's favourite newsreader yet again. I wonder if any other ITV newcaster will ever get a shot at this title though with Trev hogging the hot seat.

Is he really that good?
ST
Stuart
Jonathan H posted:
So on the one hand...
StuartPlymouth posted:
The "new studio background" looks as though they spent moments thinking about it. Average Joe Public won't think it looks any different to the other ITV News programmes.

And yet...
StuartPlymouth posted:
Indeed, CSO technology has come along way as Hollywood has proved with some exceptional special effects. The ability to have cameras swinging around a studio and to have the background changed accordingly can look amazing. I don't doubt that ITV/ITN invested heavily when they introduced the "theatre of news" some years ago; but they aren't in the business of producing films with fictional storylines.

With the rapid development of large multiple back-projection or LED screen matrices in the last few years their decision to go down the CSO route looks wrong in my opinion.

News is about reality. Why have somebody holding a conversation with a green wall when the technology exists to have a real 8 foot tall screen in front of you (as Sky, BBC, Al-Jazerra etc demonstrate)?

So you seem to be saying that "Average Joe Public" will not notice the difference between the current ITV News programmes and the relaunched News at Ten, but that they would notice the difference (and more importantly care ) whether the presenter is looking at a 'real wall or a 'fake' wall?

I think you might be wrong on both counts. It's difficult to foresee a relaunch of this importance and magnitude for ITV being a half-hearted attempt. And I'd suggest that the vast majority of the viewing pubic really don't care which production tools are used for programmes - they just want the story told in an engaging manner.

I was making two different points, and don't wish them to be confused (ie one from "Joe Public" and one from my own viewpoint):

Arrow I don't believe that "Joe Public" will notice much difference, other than a darker backdrop in the studio - anymore than non-anoraks have been tempted to discuss the previous changes to the background in the "Theatre of News". I would hazard a guess that the vast majority of those viewing have no knowledge of the fact that the presenters are standing in a brightly lit green studio, and even fewer would care.

Arrow Being a card-carrying anorak-wearing enthusiast for TV presentation etc I do have more than a passing interest and knowledge of what I see on the screen though. I would've preferred ITV to have gone down the route of back-projection or LED screens to add realism rather than continuing with the use of CSO.

As for the points raised by other respondees:

Arrow Radio interviewers don't claim to be able to see the person they are talking to down the line.
Arrow TV reporters on location can possibly see the studio output on a small monitor, but they don't turn 45 degrees to their right and speak to an imaginary disembodied head.
JP
Joe Public
StuartPlymouth posted:
Jonathan H posted:
So on the one hand...
StuartPlymouth posted:
The "new studio background" looks as though they spent moments thinking about it. Average Joe Public won't think it looks any different to the other ITV News programmes.

And yet...
StuartPlymouth posted:
Indeed, CSO technology has come along way as Hollywood has proved with some exceptional special effects. The ability to have cameras swinging around a studio and to have the background changed accordingly can look amazing. I don't doubt that ITV/ITN invested heavily when they introduced the "theatre of news" some years ago; but they aren't in the business of producing films with fictional storylines.

With the rapid development of large multiple back-projection or LED screen matrices in the last few years their decision to go down the CSO route looks wrong in my opinion.

News is about reality. Why have somebody holding a conversation with a green wall when the technology exists to have a real 8 foot tall screen in front of you (as Sky, BBC, Al-Jazerra etc demonstrate)?

So you seem to be saying that "Average Joe Public" will not notice the difference between the current ITV News programmes and the relaunched News at Ten, but that they would notice the difference (and more importantly care ) whether the presenter is looking at a 'real wall or a 'fake' wall?

I think you might be wrong on both counts. It's difficult to foresee a relaunch of this importance and magnitude for ITV being a half-hearted attempt. And I'd suggest that the vast majority of the viewing pubic really don't care which production tools are used for programmes - they just want the story told in an engaging manner.

I was making two different points, and don't wish them to be confused (ie one from "Joe Public" and one from my own viewpoint):

Arrow I don't believe that "Joe Public" will notice much difference, other than a darker backdrop in the studio - anymore than non-anoraks have been tempted to discuss the previous changes to the background in the "Theatre of News". I would hazard a guess that the vast majority of those viewing have no knowledge of the fact that the presenters are standing in a brightly lit green studio, and even fewer would care.

Arrow Being a card-carrying anorak-wearing enthusiast for TV presentation etc I do have more than a passing interest and knowledge of what I see on the screen though. I would've preferred ITV to have gone down the route of back-projection or LED screens to add realism rather than continuing with the use of CSO.

As for the points raised by other respondees:

Arrow Radio interviewers don't claim to be able to see the person they are talking to down the line.
Arrow TV reporters on location can possibly see the studio output on a small monitor, but they don't turn 45 degrees to their right and speak to an imaginary disembodied head.


Just for the record I will notice the changes!! Very Happy
GI
gilsta
Anne MacKenzie Fan posted:
gilsta posted:
the eye posted:
Anne MacKenzie Fan posted:
the eye posted:
Has Trevor ever considered getting a new pair of glasses?


or retiring and giving someone else a shot?


Exactly.


You make it sound like it was his decision to ask himself to come out of retirement on a incredibly fat contract to boost a struggling channel's image.


He should try and become the next American President - afterall, he is an expert at comebacks lol.

I see your point gilsta - but he is the one who signs the contract. I do blame the bosses at ITV though for pinning their hopes on the nation's favourite newsreader yet again. I wonder if any other ITV newcaster will ever get a shot at this title though with Trev hogging the hot seat.

Is he really that good?


No, he's not that good anymore at all but nostalgia is a powerful thing. It does appear his contract is a short one to lead the relaunch and get some viewers back. In as little as a year's time he'll be done for good (and a far bit richer for his efforts) and hand over to Mark and Julie, you really can't blame the man for agreeing to it.

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