BR
Agreed. Hopefully by the time we get to Euro 2012 and the London Olympics there will be no need for the BBC to disrupt the schedules on BBC One at all. DSO will be complete and they can put all the sport on a separate channel.
And they can put EastEnders on a separate channel too, and Holby, and Casualty etc. The Olympic Games especially has more of a place on BBC1 than virtually anything else you could name.
I always thought with the ITV News Channel that ultimately ITV's regional news would move there, but then the News Channel went so that plans unlikely, but I agree it could work with the BBC, with regional news and programming moving to News 24 (I know, but I refuse!), especially as most BBC regional programming is news based.
Technically though what would be best if it could somehow be configured so there is kind of one regional stream which any BBC channel could opt into if you know what I mean. So there isn't a BBC1 Midlands and BBC2 Midlands for example, but when required BBC2 can kind of opt into the BBC1 regional variation automatically, rather than requiring BBC2 to be regionalised too.
(And if any of you understand what I mean, well done!)
StuartPlymouth posted:
martinDTanderson posted:
Thank god for 24hr news channels I say. Some relief from the crappy football!
Agreed. Hopefully by the time we get to Euro 2012 and the London Olympics there will be no need for the BBC to disrupt the schedules on BBC One at all. DSO will be complete and they can put all the sport on a separate channel.
And they can put EastEnders on a separate channel too, and Holby, and Casualty etc. The Olympic Games especially has more of a place on BBC1 than virtually anything else you could name.
Steve in Pudsey posted:
I wonder whether in the future BBC One will end up being national in England much like BBC Two, and the news channel will be re-engineered to cary the opts, given that most of them are news or current affairs.
I always thought with the ITV News Channel that ultimately ITV's regional news would move there, but then the News Channel went so that plans unlikely, but I agree it could work with the BBC, with regional news and programming moving to News 24 (I know, but I refuse!), especially as most BBC regional programming is news based.
Technically though what would be best if it could somehow be configured so there is kind of one regional stream which any BBC channel could opt into if you know what I mean. So there isn't a BBC1 Midlands and BBC2 Midlands for example, but when required BBC2 can kind of opt into the BBC1 regional variation automatically, rather than requiring BBC2 to be regionalised too.
(And if any of you understand what I mean, well done!)
SP
Given that CBBC and BBC Three share the same feed, which is switched into the appropriate EPG number at the appropriate time, this might work on Satellite:
A BBC One sustaining feed
A BBC Two sustaining feed
A feed for each region, not on the EPG.
Then just before an opt-out, the frequency feeding 101 is switched from the network BBC One to the relevant regional feed. If the opt is on BBC Two it gets switched into 102. Or 503 to opt out on the News Channel.
Where it gets tricky is DTT, because it would require either statmuxing to be done in each region or BBC Two to become fixed bitrate as well as BBC One. It would also need a full distribution rate feed of both BBC1 and BBC2. Unless there is a similar trick for reallocating the LCNs.
Brekkie posted:
Technically though what would be best if it could somehow be configured so there is kind of one regional stream which any BBC channel could opt into if you know what I mean. So there isn't a BBC1 Midlands and BBC2 Midlands for example, but when required BBC2 can kind of opt into the BBC1 regional variation automatically, rather than requiring BBC2 to be regionalised too.
(And if any of you understand what I mean, well done!)
(And if any of you understand what I mean, well done!)
Given that CBBC and BBC Three share the same feed, which is switched into the appropriate EPG number at the appropriate time, this might work on Satellite:
A BBC One sustaining feed
A BBC Two sustaining feed
A feed for each region, not on the EPG.
Then just before an opt-out, the frequency feeding 101 is switched from the network BBC One to the relevant regional feed. If the opt is on BBC Two it gets switched into 102. Or 503 to opt out on the News Channel.
Where it gets tricky is DTT, because it would require either statmuxing to be done in each region or BBC Two to become fixed bitrate as well as BBC One. It would also need a full distribution rate feed of both BBC1 and BBC2. Unless there is a similar trick for reallocating the LCNs.
MA
It certainly wasn't on at halftime in the Italy - France match the other day, unless it was on beforehand at 7.30.
NG
Given that CBBC and BBC Three share the same feed, which is switched into the appropriate EPG number at the appropriate time, this might work on Satellite:
A BBC One sustaining feed
A BBC Two sustaining feed
A feed for each region, not on the EPG.
Then just before an opt-out, the frequency feeding 101 is switched from the network BBC One to the relevant regional feed. If the opt is on BBC Two it gets switched into 102. Or 503 to opt out on the News Channel.
This was considered at one point I believe - but the annoying switching caused by switching transponder, requiring the box to re-tune, re-QPSK sync and then re-MPEG lock, means a noticable hole (blue screen, silence etc.) would be punched, which would be very annoying to most viewers.
Hence it wasn't really pursued. There have been suggestions that this kind of switching could actually be done IN THE SATELLITE in the future, with intelligent transponders demuxing and remuxing MPEG2 transport streams in the bird. However not sure if these are currently viable.
Where it gets tricky is DTT, because it would require either statmuxing to be done in each region or BBC Two to become fixed bitrate as well as BBC One. It would also need a full distribution rate feed of both BBC1 and BBC2. Unless there is a similar trick for reallocating the LCNs.
Soon this won't be an issue. AIUI the regions won't be opting out for much longer. Instead they will feed their local studios to London (and secret location) where they will be dropped in to the network feed IN LONDON, and the local muxes coded and statmuxed in London to directly feed the transmitters. This is now possible as the Beeb have upgraded their internal contribution circuits from 34Mbs ETSI to 270Mbs uncompressed (and it gets rid of the 9Mbs MPEG2 network feed requirement)
HOWEVER the opt chains are likely to only exist for BBC One I guess, as putting the required 17+ studio switching chain into circuits for multiple networks won't be easy?...
noggin
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Steve in Pudsey posted:
Brekkie posted:
Technically though what would be best if it could somehow be configured so there is kind of one regional stream which any BBC channel could opt into if you know what I mean. So there isn't a BBC1 Midlands and BBC2 Midlands for example, but when required BBC2 can kind of opt into the BBC1 regional variation automatically, rather than requiring BBC2 to be regionalised too.
(And if any of you understand what I mean, well done!)
(And if any of you understand what I mean, well done!)
Given that CBBC and BBC Three share the same feed, which is switched into the appropriate EPG number at the appropriate time, this might work on Satellite:
A BBC One sustaining feed
A BBC Two sustaining feed
A feed for each region, not on the EPG.
Then just before an opt-out, the frequency feeding 101 is switched from the network BBC One to the relevant regional feed. If the opt is on BBC Two it gets switched into 102. Or 503 to opt out on the News Channel.
This was considered at one point I believe - but the annoying switching caused by switching transponder, requiring the box to re-tune, re-QPSK sync and then re-MPEG lock, means a noticable hole (blue screen, silence etc.) would be punched, which would be very annoying to most viewers.
Hence it wasn't really pursued. There have been suggestions that this kind of switching could actually be done IN THE SATELLITE in the future, with intelligent transponders demuxing and remuxing MPEG2 transport streams in the bird. However not sure if these are currently viable.
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Where it gets tricky is DTT, because it would require either statmuxing to be done in each region or BBC Two to become fixed bitrate as well as BBC One. It would also need a full distribution rate feed of both BBC1 and BBC2. Unless there is a similar trick for reallocating the LCNs.
Soon this won't be an issue. AIUI the regions won't be opting out for much longer. Instead they will feed their local studios to London (and secret location) where they will be dropped in to the network feed IN LONDON, and the local muxes coded and statmuxed in London to directly feed the transmitters. This is now possible as the Beeb have upgraded their internal contribution circuits from 34Mbs ETSI to 270Mbs uncompressed (and it gets rid of the 9Mbs MPEG2 network feed requirement)
HOWEVER the opt chains are likely to only exist for BBC One I guess, as putting the required 17+ studio switching chain into circuits for multiple networks won't be easy?...
MA
Agreed. Hopefully by the time we get to Euro 2012 and the London Olympics there will be no need for the BBC to disrupt the schedules on BBC One at all. DSO will be complete and they can put all the sport on a separate channel.
DSO won't be complete until Winter 2012. Ulster and Tyne Tees will still be pre DSO summer 2012.
Channel Islands won't be having DSO until March 2013, though by then I expect the entire population will have thrown in the towel and have either Sky or Freesat.
StuartPlymouth posted:
martinDTanderson posted:
Thank god for 24hr news channels I say. Some relief from the crappy football!
Agreed. Hopefully by the time we get to Euro 2012 and the London Olympics there will be no need for the BBC to disrupt the schedules on BBC One at all. DSO will be complete and they can put all the sport on a separate channel.
DSO won't be complete until Winter 2012. Ulster and Tyne Tees will still be pre DSO summer 2012.
Channel Islands won't be having DSO until March 2013, though by then I expect the entire population will have thrown in the towel and have either Sky or Freesat.