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News 24- Evening Format Change

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HA
harshy Founding member
BBC LDN posted:
And a similar scenario on another report: the correspondent didn't sign off, but Peter Dobbie clarified that it was "[correspondent name] from BBC Scotland there".


We can only presume, that BBC Scotland edited the ending off that particular report hence Peter Dobbies clarification.
BB
BBC LDN
harshy posted:
BBC LDN posted:
And a similar scenario on another report: the correspondent didn't sign off, but Peter Dobbie clarified that it was "[correspondent name] from BBC Scotland there".


We can only presume, that BBC Scotland edited the ending off that particular report hence Peter Dobbies clarification.


I was referring specifically to the mentioning of "BBC Scotland", following on from the namecheck of Midlands Today previously. Usually when there's no sign-off at the end of a report, the presenter will simply say something like "Andrew Marr reporting there", but I've never heard references to BBC Scotland or BBC Northern Ireland like that on N24, because previously it's all been one big happy "BBC NEWS" family.

Usually the sign-offs are left off because they've happened to say "BBC Midlands Today" or "North West Tonight" etc, as opposed to the cross-channel "BBC NEWS" sign-offs, and in such cases the presenter simply mentions who was reporting. I've personally never heard them go out of their way to clarify which bureau the reporter was from; the unmentioned implication has always been that the reports are prepared especially for whichever programme they happen to feature on (to disguise the fact that reports are often used on more than one programme).
DA
Dave Founding member
Totaly off topic but.....

Has anybody noticed the creative camera shots being used this morning on News24?

Using the overhead camera to move between presnters and different parts of the set.

Just head a breaking news story and the camera shot started with a wide shot, the full screen breaking news thing was used and then the camera lowered and slowly zoomed in....looked very good
CA
cat
BBC LDN posted:
Perhaps a ball of wool or a toy mouse would be more your level of intellectual engagement?


I couldn't read that either.

Perhaps you could remove all of the vowels from the sentence, as well as those words with more than three syllables. That would satisfy.

Smtng lk ths.
MO
Moz
Dave posted:
Totaly off topic but.....

Has anybody noticed the creative camera shots being used this morning on News24?

Using the overhead camera to move between presnters and different parts of the set.

Just head a breaking news story and the camera shot started with a wide shot, the full screen breaking news thing was used and then the camera lowered and slowly zoomed in....looked very good


Some fantastic shots this morning, yes. I had the AM off work and luckily caught it.

There was one shot with the right hand plasma in shot on the left of the picture and Anna in the right hand area. The right hand plasma was showing the previous interviewee and Anna's plasma had the next interviewee. The camera then panned across to a close up of Anna and her plasma. Very effective - the screens seemed almost 'nested'.

Something like this...
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/image14.jpg

Another shot while Anna was talking about the BBC started with an overhead of the whole set and panned and zoomed across to her.
BB
BBC LDN
cat posted:
BBC LDN posted:
Perhaps a ball of wool or a toy mouse would be more your level of intellectual engagement?


I couldn't read that either.

Perhaps you could remove all of the vowels from the sentence, as well as those words with more than three syllables. That would satisfy.

Smtng lk ths.


Sck my blls, btch.
CA
cat
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DU
Dunedin
When will you two just do the honourable thing and get a room Rolling Eyes

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UK
ukfreetv
The evening scheudle sucks, in my opinion.

BBC News 24 is delivered to UK homes as part of a “multiplex” of BBC channels. Anyone who can watch News 24, can also watch ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, Parliament and the Children’s channels and listen to radio services including the World Service.

I have been using three different personal video recorders for some years now (Sky+, Freeview Windows Media Centre and a Freeview set-top PVR) and my experience suggests that News 24 schedule needs urgent attention.

With a PVR, there are two types of TV. Most programs can be recorded and watched at any time, the scheduled time is just the time at which it is “published”. The other kind is timely output, which is news, sport and interactive programs.

So whilst most other channels schedules become less important, the timing of news becomes more significant.

It seems critical therefore that News 24 must be scheduled to complement the BBC News output on other BBC channels, and should perhaps take regard to the news output on public service Channel 4.

There are three areas of concern:

- The Electronic Program Guide
- Complementary scheduling
- Program junctions

ELECTRONIC PROGRAM GUIDE

The Electronic Program Guide on cable, satellite and Freeview just list every hour as “BBC News” (all the latest news from around the world) for most of the day. For example Newswatch doesn’t get a mention, so cannot be recorded with Sky+. Programs that can’t be recorded tend not to get watched. Even ITV News manages to name the presenters on the EPG.

The details of the schedule, such as the timings of everything from “Fact File” to the weather need to be mentioned in the listings urgently.

It is possible to update these listings, so why not automatically update the now and next items to include the locations of your outside broadcasts? Example: “Live from New York, Leeds and Baghdad breaking BBC news plus sport, business and weather”. If you have cleared the schedules for breaking news then change the EPG to reflect this too.

When you do analysis in the second half-hour, break up the EPG information into half-hours. BBC News have one of the world’s best web sites, BBC News 24 has one of the world’s dumbest EPG listings.


COMPLEMENTARY SCHEUDLING

Even with a dual-receiver PVR, clashing schedules are unhelpful. Therefore I feel I question the wisdom of the lack of complementary scheduling between News 24 and the other BBC channels.

2230 Business Today

Business Today runs opposite Newsnight on TWO when there has just been the N24 2200 News half-hour opposite the BBC News flagship "Ten O'clock News" on ONE.

Would it not provide a better choice of programming for the viewer if the News 24 programs were switched around? It makes no sense to duplicate effort from 2200-2230, and then run two analysis programs together (Business Today and Newsnight).


1800-1900 hour

At 1800 N24 runs national news half-hour opposite similar "six o'clock news" on ONE, but then has 1845 Sportsday on N24. This is halfway though regional news on ONE (usually doing sport at this point).

Would it not provide a better choice for the viewer to have Sport at 1800, and to provide a national or world news alternative to the BBC local news on ONE at 1830?


2000-2030 and 2330-0000

2000 News half-hour opposite super-serious "BBC FOUR NEWS", and then schedule interview-based Hardtalk at 2330 when there are no bulletins on any BBC channel.

If Hardtalk were scheduled at 2000 there would still be news on FOUR, and would provide room for a later news service from 2330-0000.


1300-1330 half-hour

News 24 national news half-hour is shown opposite almost identical "one o'clock news" on ONE.

Why not schedule something a little bit different in this half hour on News 24? A sports, analysis and business program perhaps?


0935 BBC World News.

This is a fine program from BBC World. If the same program also went out on News 24 at 0835, it would provide a real news choice against the parochial Breakfast program. It seems such a waste to duplicate Breakfast on ONE and N24 when BBC World is broadcasting a wider view already.


1200-1230 (Wednesdays) PMQs on N24, BBC Parliament and BBC TWO (all with different graphics)

Is it really necessary for a half of the BBC’s television output to be identical? Should News 24 not provide something extra here, because the impression is that everyone is off having lunch.

Some example might be: maps showing the constituency locations for the questioning MP, bullet-point biographies or summary of points so far.


1900-1930 opposite Channel Four news, five News

In the interests of the public service in general, rather than BBC’s rating in particular, providing an alternative at 7pm to ITN’s C4 News and five news is vital.




PROGRAM JUNCTIONS

0859 Breakfast split

Why does BBC ONE fail to mention the start of alternative news programming on News 24 at 9am? If News 24 started just before the regional opt-out, there could be a brief in-vision hand over: News 24 presenter appears on a Breakfast monitor, there is an exchange of witty pleasantries during which News 24 viewers swap to N24 studio with Breakfast on the big screen… The current system seems a bit soulless.


2320 Newsnight ends on TWO, no junction to N24 newspaper review...

There is a lost opportunity for a hand-over from Newsnight’s front pages to News 24’s newspaper review here.


1330-1340, 2230-2235 BBC ONE regional news

News 24 should provide an alternative at these times to the regional output on BBC ONE. At the junction the presenter could say “XXX is starting on News 24, or stay with us here on BBC ONE for your local news”. Lunchtime could use FactFile. and a business summary at night, for example.
NG
noggin Founding member
harshy posted:
BBC LDN posted:
And a similar scenario on another report: the correspondent didn't sign off, but Peter Dobbie clarified that it was "[correspondent name] from BBC Scotland there".


We can only presume, that BBC Scotland edited the ending off that particular report hence Peter Dobbies clarification.


The BBC - both nationally and regionally - normally don't include a "Joe Bloggs, BBC News" or "Joe Regional, BBC Look SouthSouthEast" payoff if the reporter picks up live off the back of their package, or in some regions if the report is for a short bulletin.

If News 24 take the report, but can't get a recorded piece to camera to take the place of the live pay-off, they will normally back anno the reporter.

With people like Andrew Marr, Mark Mardell etc. who are National Correspondents, they would either say "Andrew Marr there" or "Our Political Editor, Andrew Marr" or similar. However they might mention "Look SouthSouthEast's Joe Regional there" if it was a regional reporter, who viewers outside the region might not have heard of...

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