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Mike516 (previously a516) 660 posts since 29 Jan 2010
Central (East) East Midlands Today
London News instead of EMT this morning. In the old days Midlands Today would have been offered instead.


noggin13,891 posts since 26 Jun 2001
London News instead of EMT this morning. In the old days Midlands Today would have been offered instead.




I think that was usually only the case if the presenter hadn't turned up? (i.e. there were not major technical issues and the region could still opt-out with a feed from Midlands Today)

However there may have been an oddity due to legacy routing that meant EMT was routed via Pebble Mill (from the sub-opt days) that meant it was possible for Birmingham to opt-out on East Midlands' transmitters without reconfiguring the network distribution hugely.

(There also used to be a network sustaining 'pecking order' with Elstree being the main network source - as they couldn't opt-out themselves - followed by Southampton, then Norwich. You'd quite often see Pauline Brandt at 0630 on a Monday rather than Gargy Patel... ISTR that one day neither Elstree nor Southampton were able to opt-out - neither presenter had managed to get in - and London cancelled the opt as they couldn't arrange how to handle the opt-out with Norwich)
Inspector Sands12,744 posts since 25 Aug 2004
With the centralised coding the BBC now has there's no technical reason why they couldn't have got Midlands Today instead. Though making the decision to to so and getting that to the people who can do it is another matter. It might have been that they thought they might get back for the next bulletin and so didn't want to commit
Markymark5,904 posts since 13 Dec 2004
Meridian (North) South Today
With the centralised coding the BBC now has there's no technical reason why they couldn't have got Midlands Today instead. Though making the decision to to so and getting that to the people who can do it is another matter. It might have been that they thought they might get back for the next bulletin and so didn't want to commit


There's still a problem with the CCM routing a neighbouring region at very short notice ? It requires some sort of approval chain (because it's not the 'pres' part of the BBC or its contractors (Red Bee etc) that run the CCM centres) and it needs someone to actually reroute the feeds (I doubt CCM is manned 24/7 or is remote controlable ?)
noggin13,891 posts since 26 Jun 2001
With the centralised coding the BBC now has there's no technical reason why they couldn't have got Midlands Today instead. Though making the decision to to so and getting that to the people who can do it is another matter. It might have been that they thought they might get back for the next bulletin and so didn't want to commit


There's still a problem with the CCM routing a neighbouring region at very short notice ? It requires some sort of approval chain (because it's not the 'pres' part of the BBC or its contractors (Red Bee etc) that run the CCM centres) and it needs someone to actually reroute the feeds (I doubt CCM is manned 24/7 or is remote controlable ?)



I think CCM is staffed pretty much 24/7 though levels will be lower in off-peak hours. However I'm sure you're correct that re-routing a regional BBC One feed to the coding and mux chain is not a 'just make a phone call from the newsroom' kind of operation, and would require a sensible level of authorisation...
Alex Plain-Later (previously Austin Tatious) 913 posts since 1 Jan 2016
HTV West Points West
If your correct regional news fails to appear, then no choice of substitute is necessarily ideal (depending on what region you're in, what size it is, and how many/few neighbouring regions it has).

Midlands Today might be the "best" failsafe for EMT viewers in e.g. Leicester*, but viewers in other parts of the EMT patch would variously find Look North (Leeds/Hull) or Look East (Cambridge) a better substitute.

(*But not so much when it's talking about news from e.g. Shropshire or Herefordshire though)

If Look North (Newcastle) failed to appear, then the substitute might as well be London News for all the difference it would make. Its utter irrelevance to the NE&Cumbria would not really be any worse than if Salford/Leeds/Hull (or even Glasgow!) was the designated substitute.

The only circumstance where a neighbouring region would be better than London/the NC would be if there was enough advance notice for a joint programme (incorporating some already-prepared reports from the failed region) could be organised.

Bristol has occasionally done "Points West & Spotlight" bulletins due to technical problems at Plymouth, incorporating the odd few Devon/Cornwall/Channel Islands news stories in the running order, and with a mega-pan-regional weather map.
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Inspector Sands12,744 posts since 25 Aug 2004

I think CCM is staffed pretty much 24/7 though levels will be lower in off-peak hours. However I'm sure you're correct that re-routing a regional BBC One feed to the coding and mux chain is not a 'just make a phone call from the newsroom' kind of operation, and would require a sensible level of authorisation...

Yes, it's staffed 24/7 and doing that is relatively easy... but yes is something that needs authorisation. There are some cases where doing so would be 'politically' a bit sensitive,
Steve in Pudsey9,474 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
London News instead of EMT this morning. In the old days Midlands Today would have been offered instead.




I think that was usually only the case if the presenter hadn't turned up? (i.e. there were not major technical issues and the region could still opt-out with a feed from Midlands Today)

However there may have been an oddity due to legacy routing that meant EMT was routed via Pebble Mill (from the sub-opt days) that meant it was possible for Birmingham to opt-out on East Midlands' transmitters without reconfiguring the network distribution hugely.


Not just when the presenter hasn't shown up, I've heard of examples where the video server has had problems so they weren't able to go ahead with the bulletin but could put a neighbouring region through the desk, add an apology strap and opt out.

In ye olden days Nottingham got their network feed via Birmingham, so I would imagine it was relatively trivial for the Pebble Mill Comms Centre to route a dirty BBC1 Midlands to Nottingham in place of the clean network feed.

A benefit of that over the kind of CCM approach now is that if EMT did get things fixed they could opt out as usual without waiting for the workarounds to be restored to normal.
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Mike W4,796 posts since 30 Apr 2006
Only realised today that Midlands Today's sports graphics also animate (and look a lot better for it). Wonder however if this was an equipment change or someone with some skills on the dated Aston technology having a play and making a better product?
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