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OM
Omnipresent London London
Sarah Smith did a couple of editions last week, was that her first time or had she done it before?


It was the first time I’d seen Sarah present Newsnight.
LL
London Lite Founding member London London
Sarah Smith did a couple of editions last week, was that her first time or had she done it before?


She used to present Newsnight a few years ago as cover.

97 days later

LO
lobster Anglia (East) Look East
As you've already seen / read, Newsnight has been in the news after being censured by bbc management regarding an introduction by Emily Maitlis,

the way the news reports have been worded would suggest that emily maitless herself has had her wrists slapped.. now what i don't get here is that presumably this was a scripted piece agreed by the newsnight editor and producer, so why did the presenter take the wrap for it if she just read it off a script? i just don't get it.

what is the situation here? did she write the piece herself (which still would have had to been approved) or not?
Last edited by lobster on 28 May 2020 1:17pm
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HA
harshy Founding member
I thought Emily was quite right in her introduction even though it wasn’t impartial.
GM
Gary McEwan STV Central Reporting Scotland
Durham Police have confirmed that Dominic Cummings did breach the rules, so what Emily Maitlis said has been fully justified in my opinion.
CA
Cando London London
Durham Police have confirmed that Dominic Cummings did breach the rules, so what Emily Maitlis said has been fully justified in my opinion.

Durham police said on Friday that they had spoken to Dominic Cummings directly about breaking the guidelines, on Wednesday they changed their story to only speaking to his father about security.....
GM
Gary McEwan STV Central Reporting Scotland
Cando posted:
Durham Police have confirmed that Dominic Cummings did breach the rules, so what Emily Maitlis said has been fully justified in my opinion.

Durham police said on Friday that they had spoken to Dominic Cummings directly about breaking the guidelines, on Wednesday they changed their story to only speaking to his father about security.....


They've literally just announced that he did indeed breach the guidelines.
AS
AlexS Central (East) Midlands Today
Cando posted:
Durham Police have confirmed that Dominic Cummings did breach the rules, so what Emily Maitlis said has been fully justified in my opinion.

Durham police said on Friday that they had spoken to Dominic Cummings directly about breaking the guidelines, on Wednesday they changed their story to only speaking to his father about security.....


They've literally just announced that he did indeed breach the guidelines.


Cando posted:
Durham Police have confirmed that Dominic Cummings did breach the rules, so what Emily Maitlis said has been fully justified in my opinion.

Durham police said on Friday that they had spoken to Dominic Cummings directly about breaking the guidelines, on Wednesday they changed their story to only speaking to his father about security.....


They've literally just announced that he did indeed breach the guidelines.

The actual wording is " might have been a minor breach of the Regulations" which is far from saying he definitively broke the law. In any case it would be extremely worrying and newsworthy in itself if a police force started seeing themselves as judge and jury rather than just investigators of crime.
WL
W1LL (previously marshmallow) Yorkshire Look North (E.Yorks & Lincs)
AlexS posted:
Cando posted:
Durham police said on Friday that they had spoken to Dominic Cummings directly about breaking the guidelines, on Wednesday they changed their story to only speaking to his father about security.....


They've literally just announced that he did indeed breach the guidelines.


Cando posted:
Durham police said on Friday that they had spoken to Dominic Cummings directly about breaking the guidelines, on Wednesday they changed their story to only speaking to his father about security.....


They've literally just announced that he did indeed breach the guidelines.

The actual wording is " might have been a minor breach of the Regulations" which is far from saying he definitively broke the law. In any case it would be extremely worrying and newsworthy in itself if a police force started seeing themselves as judge and jury rather than just investigators of crime.

Yes, an understandably carefully worded statement from them but it definitely implies that it is their belief that he did breach lockdown rules, particularly the part where they say they would have asked Cummings to have turned back had he been stopped at the time. Maitlis deserves a full apology.
NE
Newsroom
Maitlis and the entire team need an urgent apology and public apology, much like Naga Munchetty did when the BBC got it wrong in her case.

This entire saga is outrageous.
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SE
Square Eyes Founding member
Well the Maitlis statement couldn't be factual at the time of broadcast. Regardless of whether facts later come to light that support that opening monologue.

At the time of broadcast, based on what was known, the BBC found it to be below the standard expected. That remains I expect.
BR
Brekkie Wales Wales Today
Let's face it: the Durham police wording has been toned right down so as not to provoke a reaction from the Government. That statement is effectively 'we believe he broke the rules but we don't want to rock the boat'. He clearly broke the rules as they were communicated at the start of the lockdown and to suggest otherwise is folly. Maitlis' statement was factual.

I consider myself educated, I read the rules as they were stated at the time of the lockdown and I followed them. At no point did I consider it right to drive 30 miles to 'test my eyesight' or sit down outside for 15 minutes. The only time I left my home was to shop for essentials as infrequently as possible and for a brief period of exercise once a day, on foot, starting and ending at home. We all know those were the rules as they were set out at the start of the lockdown and it's clear Cummings didn't adhere to them.

Maybe the bigger problem here is that there are so many different interpretations of those rules - if people didn't understand them, that's another failing of the Government to add to the list. If by some miracle Cummings was right to act as he did then clearly the Government's communication of the lockdown rules was unclear to the vast majority of people. Either way it comes back to Cummings and Boris.

The annoying part of this for me is not that he broke the rules. I can live with that - we're all human and driven by impulse and instinct. Nobody's perfect. What I cannot abide is how Boris and Cummings have handled this in the aftermath. A simple acknowledgement that Cummings had breached the rules and an apology was all that was needed. He needn't have resigned over something so minor, despite the hypocrisy. I could have lived with that. What I absolutely cannot stand is the denials, outright lies and an attitude in government of 'we know best and we don't care what you think'. They think we're mugs. It's the outright arrogance that sticks in my craw. Who do these people think they are? The only saving grace in all this is that people like that get their comeuppance one day. If you wait long enough, it will happen, believe me.

Well said. The arrogance of being continually told to "move on" is frustrating too - anyone who has ever been involved with managing people knows if an issue arises the only way people will "move on" from it is if the issue holding them back is actually addressed.


The BBC absolutely need to retract this reprimand based on the situation as it was on Tuesday night, not as it is today. It really is such a shame as Newsnight has done so much over the last year or so to restore it's brand after years still in the shadow of the Saville saga, and Emily Maitliss has been a key driver behind that.
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