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ITV London Tonight

(December 2003)

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CW
CentralWest
noggin posted:
CentralWest posted:
It is just a redressed Studio W. The projection is the real projection, and cardboard cutout of the bricks surround the normal studio.

As for the cameras being moved, we wished, they been in exactly the same position since Dec 2004.

The sofa has blocks at the back, as you can see with the right one.


There doesn't seem to be much behind the legs we can see of the presenter sofa... Should at least be something like a metal rail or a raised edge (as you see on nearly all BBC rostra) - which I'd have though was also needed if office chairs are used for normal news presentation.


Why should there be? Its only about 10cm high for god sake. It aint as if they are gonna die. Plus its ITV not BBC. Stupid health and safety policies.

Oh yeah, living, people could get injured or die, lets ban people living... Has everyone forgot that life isnt perfect.
NG
noggin Founding member
CentralWest posted:
noggin posted:
CentralWest posted:
It is just a redressed Studio W. The projection is the real projection, and cardboard cutout of the bricks surround the normal studio.

As for the cameras being moved, we wished, they been in exactly the same position since Dec 2004.

The sofa has blocks at the back, as you can see with the right one.


There doesn't seem to be much behind the legs we can see of the presenter sofa... Should at least be something like a metal rail or a raised edge (as you see on nearly all BBC rostra) - which I'd have though was also needed if office chairs are used for normal news presentation.


Why should there be?



Because in all studio design there is a requirement to minimise reasonable risk. If the sofa were feet away from the edge of the rostra there would be little risk, however in the screen grab it patently obviously isn't feet away, an would only take someone sitting on it a bit heavily and with some force backwards for it to fall off the rostra. Therefore with a sofa so close to the edge of the rostra the risk is increased, and as it can be minimised trivially - and indeed should have been as part of the original design process (part of the designer's risk assessment) - it is a pretty obvious omission.

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Its only about 10cm high for god sake. It aint as if they are gonna die.

No - but they might be injured - safe working and safe design is not just about stopping people dying, it is usually a good idea not to injure them either.

Given that the people who usually sit on set are either presenters (who cost a lot to compensate) or members of the public (whom injuring isn't great for publicity) - it is just good sense to avoid hurting them.

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Plus its ITV not BBC. Stupid health and safety policies.

Hmm - don't see how designing something safely to begin with is stupid - and ITV aren't exempt from HSE legislation - the BBC isn't governed separately by safety laws, it just advises its staff how to comply with current safety legislation.

What do ITV Studio Safety Guidelines say about rostra design - or don't they have any?
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Oh yeah, living, people could get injured or die, lets ban people living... Has everyone forgot that life isnt perfect.


Life isn't perfect - but that doesn't give you carte blanche to introduce extra risk of injury by poor design - especially when minimising the risk is pretty straightforward. Designing a rostra with a lip or a kick rail is hardly going to cost the earth is it?

As someone who could be sued both corporately and personally over safety issues - I do my best not to hurt people... Quite like not to end up in court.
CW
CentralWest
Well if the presenters dont see any problems, then case closed. I don't see how you can justify a seat on the end of a 10cm platform with all this talk. No wonder this country is going downhill.

F***ing crazy!
NG
noggin Founding member
CentralWest posted:
Well if the presenters dont see any problems, then case closed.


That wouldn't be an acceptable argument in most HSE cases.

"The worker was happy not to wear protective gear" excuse has certainly been used by employers in the past, and been laughed out of court.

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I don't see how you can justify a seat on the end of a 10cm platform with all this talk.


Don't see your point - all I'm asking is why the rostra wasn't designed safely in the first place. It doesn't cost any more, it doesn't take any more time, it just requires people to think. Given that designers (anywhere in set design - theatre, studio, OB etc. - and not just the BBC) are expected to deliver safe designs fit for purpose - usually accompanied by risk assessments (covering fire safety, load bearing, manual handling etc.) it was odd that this was not picked up.

AIUI the latest HSE legislation requires that a project manager be nominated to be responsible for safety the minute you even begin to discuss a new set - whether it is a sofa change or a metal construction the scale of the X Factor...

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No wonder this country is going downhill.

F***ing crazy!


Nothing crazy about safety. Remind me to steer clear of ITV studios - I suspect they don't check their lamp bonds or pantos that often...

We'll have to agree to differ on this subject - but I am still surprised that something as basic as a rostra surround was omitted.
RR
RR
tvmercia posted:
why on earth is Hancock's Half-Time being shown on carlton london?
The programmes are different, albeit they share the same hosts, guests and studio.
JE
Jez Founding member
RR posted:
tvmercia posted:
why on earth is Hancock's Half-Time being shown on carlton london?
The programmes are different, albeit they share the same hosts, guests and studio.


I wonder why a programme for the London region is made at Central though? I looked at the listings and the programmes dont go out the same time either.
LO
Londoner
RR posted:
tvmercia posted:
why on earth is Hancock's Half-Time being shown on carlton london?
The programmes are different, albeit they share the same hosts, guests and studio.

Really? I didn't watch the programme closely (football doesn't interest me), but the version I saw in London seemed to have quite a bit about the likes of West Brom and Birmingham City - and it didn't seem to be in connection with matches with London clubs.
LO
Londoner
Jez posted:
I wonder why a programme for the London region is made at Central though?

I would have thought that much was obvious! It's cheaper!
JE
Jez Founding member
Londoner posted:
Jez posted:
I wonder why a programme for the London region is made at Central though?

I would have thought that much was obvious! It's cheaper!


Its not right though that ITV use the same hosts, studio, set etc for 2 different regions, yet they spend millions on crap like Love Island. Rolling Eyes
LL
London Lite Founding member
I can understand why they have a shared regional football show, but surely they must have a 2 min local round up of London club results?
LO
Londoner
Was it my dodgy digibox or did everyone get a freeze-frame of Phil Gayle yawning for what seemed like an eternity?
LO
Londoner
London now taking Meridian News West with an apology from the presenter to viewers of "London Tonight" [sic]

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