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New BBC Region in Central England

(September 2004)

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GS
Gavin Scott Founding member
Katherine posted:
Functional Aesthetic posted:
If the world was full of nothing but "intellectuals", nothing practical would get done, and therefore everything would come to halt.

Ah yes, but if the world was full of nothing but women, EVERYTHING would get done, and nothing would come to a halt!


Well my sex life would for a kick off.
TV
tvmercia Founding member
Katherine posted:
Functional Aesthetic posted:
If the world was full of nothing but "intellectuals", nothing practical would get done, and therefore everything would come to halt.

Ah yes, but if the world was full of nothing but women, EVERYTHING would get done, and nothing would come to a halt!

i take offence at that overtly sexist remark. *reaches for the forum rules*
MS
MrStrawsonsSheep
Idea There's apparently a good programme on Radio4 on Tuesday night about gerrymandering, only in this case its about Congressional boundaries in Texas, rather than the dynamic state of English rationality.

The relationship between regions, counties and UHF television transmitter coverage areas is always, I'd guess, going to be messy and political at any level of granularity as fine as a TV sub-region. This is essentially because over time the TV geography will begin to shape the boundary, and the urban hierarchy within the region; and so in part shape its politics.

For instance, in purely economic or social terms, Norwich is an insignificant place compared to Cambridge, or even Ipswich. Norwich has been able to pursue greater status, wealth and investment into institutions such as the UEA, simply because it’s seen as the "city of the region" in TV terms.

The whole concept of the northern home counties annexing the nicer bits of the East Midlands to become “West Anglia" was driven by the relatively larger coverage area of the Sandy heath UHF transmitter over its Channel 6 predecessor, and the activities of British Rail.

The region as currently defined, i.e. Northamptonshire, Cambridgeshire (soft boundary with E Anglia), Bedfordshire, non-Metropolitan Hertfordshire and NE Bucks includes the railway new-towns of Stevenage, Peterborough and MK. The northern boundary is the extent to which commuting toward Central London is significant in local labour markets, and the western boundary the M1/WCML corridor. The southern and eastern boundaries are the physical obstacles of the Chilterns and the Fens.

Sociologically Sandy Heath hasn't done a bad job in creating for itself a homogeneous TV region over these 35 years or so. Rather than, as some pundits here have suggested, being a type mismatch the region strikes me as being quite similar in its build, defined by boundaries where the similarity begins to skew away. Peterborough, MK, Luton, Northampton and even Bedford are quite similar places, only Cambridge stands out.
JC
Jack Carkdale
MrStrawsonsSheep posted:
Idea There's apparently a good programme on Radio4 on Tuesday night about gerrymandering...


Gerry who? Wink

Seriously, though, I've had to look up that posh-souding word in the dictionary! Embarassed

It means to move or change administrative/political boundaries, apparently! Smile
KA
Katherine Founding member
tvmercia posted:
Katherine posted:
Functional Aesthetic posted:
If the world was full of nothing but "intellectuals", nothing practical would get done, and therefore everything would come to halt.

Ah yes, but if the world was full of nothing but women, EVERYTHING would get done, and nothing would come to a halt!

i take offence at that overtly sexist remark. *reaches for the forum rules*

Oh, come on... it was made in jest!
TV
tvmercia Founding member
Katherine posted:
tvmercia posted:
Katherine posted:
Functional Aesthetic posted:
If the world was full of nothing but "intellectuals", nothing practical would get done, and therefore everything would come to halt.

Ah yes, but if the world was full of nothing but women, EVERYTHING would get done, and nothing would come to a halt!

i take offence at that overtly sexist remark. *reaches for the forum rules*

Oh, come on... it was made in jest!

i'm sorry katherine, but you really should have considered other peoples feelings before posting hurtful remarks like you did.

i have no option but to report your post.
:-(
A former member
noggin posted:
Viewers in the NW of the patch will probably think of themselves as being Midlands/East Midlands based (Northants and Peterborough).


Are you MDR???? NO! Most of us in East Northants think of ourselves as the East of England. We would rather hear local news about Bedford, Cambridge, Huntingdon.... rather than Notingham, Derby, etc, etc....
SS
SeanS
Functional Aesthetic posted:
SeanS posted:
Other people described this region as being in central England and so if you follow this logically the name of the programme would be South Midlands Today.


No, it wouldn't! Seeing as the likes of Oxfordshire, and even places as far west as Herefordshire are arguably in the "South Midlands", that means that if the Look East (West) area is in "central England" at all, then it's specifically the "South East Midlands"!

boring_user_name has suggested South East Midlands Today as a possible title for the Look East (West) area, but, I say again, the title South Midlands Today is purely a South Today (Oxford sub-opt)-associated suggestion.

SeanS posted:
I don't remember being a "****" when I got 11 O Levels, an AO Level, 3 A Levels and my degree!


Those qualifications don't make your thinking re: the geographical description of the Look East (West) area any less illogical!

I've got only eight GCSEs (and some of them are below C grade), and nothing higher (e.g. A Levels etc), but I'm obviously a lot more logical than you are!

All "academic", and no "common sense"!

If the world was full of nothing but "intellectuals", nothing practical would get done, and therefore everything would come to halt.


Functional Aesthetic, you don't get it at all, do you? I actually agree with you!

My arguement is that it is daft to describe this region as being in Central England, so I am certainly not advocating it! Although Katherine pointed out that Milton Keynes itself is very central geographically, Cambridge, Peterborough, Stevenage etc are not. Those that wish to describe the region as being Central England/Midlands are the ones who would have difficulty finding a suitable name for this region and whose logic would dictate the use of South/South East Midlands Today.

I disagree with this name! The region is at the moment part of the East of England television region. Viewers are used to Look East even if they live in Daventry (near Coventry) or Stamford (Lincs). Therefore, as someone who lived 5 years in this region and whose mother still lives there, I believe that they should keep the name Look East. Nothing else sounds right!

I agree with Functional Aesthetic that "South Midlands Today" would refer to any future regional news programme based on Oxford and possibly Ridge Hill transmitters (the equivalent of Central News South).
What I did object to was being called a "****" when I was actually agreeing with you! You got the wrong end of the stick.
JC
Jack Carkdale
SeanS posted:
Functional Aesthetic, you don't get it at all, do you? I actually agree with you!


I knew from the start that you were against the Look East (West) area being deemed as being in "Central England/the Midlands", but I'm sure you said at some point that you hypothesised that if it is in "the Midlands" at all, then it would logically be "SOUTH Midlands Today". I was disagreeing with that one specific point only, saying that "SOUTH EAST Midlands Today" would be more logical.

I have been aware all along that you and I both think it's actually in "the East of England", not any part of "the Midlands"

SeanS posted:
I believe that they should keep the name Look East. Nothing else sounds right!


Indeed. Agreed.

EDIT: Look, this has all got silly. And it's all my fault.

I should have made my original point in a more mature way, instead of being rude and impolite about it. Embarassed

I blame PMS! (that's my story, and I'm sticking by it Wink )

I'm sorry for being an A-class d*ckhead, and for calling you a ****.

Can we just wipe the slate clean? Confused

*eats humble pie*
Last edited by Jack Carkdale on 27 September 2004 9:48am
SS
SeanS
Functional Aesthetic posted:
SeanS posted:
Functional Aesthetic, you don't get it at all, do you? I actually agree with you!


I knew from the start that you were against the Look East (West) area being deemed as being in "Central England/the Midlands", but I'm sure you said at some point that you hypothesised that if it is in "the Midlands" at all, then it would logically be "SOUTH Midlands Today". I was disagreeing with that one specific point only, saying that "SOUTH EAST Midlands Today" would be more logical.

I have been aware all along that you and I both think it's actually in "the East of England", not any part of "the Midlands"

SeanS posted:
I believe that they should keep the name Look East. Nothing else sounds right!


Indeed. Agreed.

EDIT: Look, this has all got silly. And it's all my fault.

I should have made my original point in a more mature way, instead of being rude and impolite about it. Embarassed

I blame PMS! (that's my story, and I'm sticking by it Wink )

I'm sorry for being an A-class d*ckhead, and for calling you a ****.

Can we just wipe the clean? Confused

*eats humble pie*


OK mate - apology accepted Smile
MT
MrTomServo
tvmercia posted:
Katherine posted:
tvmercia posted:
Katherine posted:
Functional Aesthetic posted:
If the world was full of nothing but "intellectuals", nothing practical would get done, and therefore everything would come to halt.

Ah yes, but if the world was full of nothing but women, EVERYTHING would get done, and nothing would come to a halt!

i take offence at that overtly sexist remark. *reaches for the forum rules*

Oh, come on... it was made in jest!

i'm sorry katherine, but you really should have considered other peoples feelings before posting hurtful remarks like you did.

i have no option but to report your post.


Stop wasting my time. (Yes, I am in a foul mood, so shut it.)

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69 days later

GR
Gary Roberts
boring_user_name posted:
Perhaps:
- Home Counties Today
- Look East (!)
- East Central Today
- Midway Today
- Newsroom Three Counties
- Three Counties Today
- South East Midlands Today
- West Anglia Today (not enirely accurate, but sounds fine)

I definately pity the person charged with determining the name to use!


How's about MidEast Today on BBC ONE MidEast? The Sandy Heath TX area does cover parts of both the Midlands (Northamptonshire, Milton Keynes, parts of Leics, Rutland and Lincs) and the East (Beds, Cambs, Herts and western parts of Norfolk, Suffolk and Essex). Can't think of a better name myself, can you? Very Happy

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