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Hatton Cross2,987 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Central (West) Midlands Today
IIRC it was one multilateral feed.
The Royal Household would still have had a massive say in the way the wedding ceremony was presented by the broadcasters, and while I doubt there was someone from Buck House press office sitting over the shoulder of the director in the OBU (or flyaway gallery in a nearby building), the main live service director would still have to abide with some broadcaster/Kensington Palace jointly agreed rules on angles, zooms, close-ups, and who can be shown on screen and when inside Westminster Abbey.

Having the BBC/ITN/Sky having ISO feeds of the service would have lead to a dilution of those guidelines.

Harry and Megs wedding is not in a cathedral, but St Georges Chapel within the Windsor Castle grounds, so again, due to space restrictions, I suspect it'll be one unilateral signal for everybody from the time they enter the church, to the time the cars leave.

This royal wedding is an interesting one.

For Kate and Williams wedding, most international media set up 'home' for the week in Green Park, to the right of Buckingham Palace. This time it's over in Windsor - rather than slap bang in the middle of Westminster - so unless broadcasters are allowed to set up 'base camp' in nearby Windsor Royal Park, to construct a mobile production base, with studio pres points, office, technical and gallery areas, most broadcasters will have no choice but to base themselves in central London.
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noggin13,901 posts since 26 Jun 2001
IIRC it was one unilateral feed.


I think you mean multilateral? In the case of an event where a single feed is made available - that single feed is the 'multi', not a 'uni'.

A unilateral is a feed specific for a single broadcaster - say a standup position for a reporter/presenter, or a camera specifically following something in an event for a single broadcaster (The BBC may have a unilateral feed of their own camera following a Brit running in a race, so that if the multilateral doesn't cover it well, you can fall back to the uni, at least for replays)
Hatton Cross2,987 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Central (West) Midlands Today
Thanks, Noggin. I did.
Corrected in the original post. The pitfalls of posting, when your football team has a live game on Sky and your are trying to multitask... Confused
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Mouseboy332,454 posts since 10 Feb 2014
I like the idea of removing the ticker. They are so irrelevant during most of the newsday. They only time it proves to have the slightest bit of value is during breaking news (when they were orginally introduced). Today most tickers are cryptic or contain really old information or promos for other programmes. MSNBC needs to reexamine the logo box. That looks reallly crowded and off-kilter. The LIVE flag i was thought was in the stupidest place and always made the logo look off somehow. But overall l like the thinking behind the change.
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cat2,544 posts since 4 Jan 2003
When tickers arrived they were little more than tickers on screen - now there are generally lower thirds on screen throughout reports like above. If they really want to put the reporting front and center they'd drop those too.


Not sure about that.. certainly on CNN and Fox the lower 1/3rds were on screen most of the time in 2000/01 (pre 9/11 when tickers arrived).

Sky actually used a ticker for the fuel crisis in 2000... ugly white thing, much like the one they still have. Then again during 2001 election coverage. They dropped it after the election, and brought it back after 9/11 (they were in the middle of a full studio refurb that summer).

I like lower 1/3rds used well. They clearly illustrate the story that’s being shown Sadly most of the American networks just stick up breaking news at 6am and keep it on until midnight.
Rkolsen2,330 posts since 20 Jan 2014
BBC World
It looks better with the large lower third off screen. They still have the stocks and time in the same location. The live bug does need to be centered vertically now.
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Rkolsen2,330 posts since 20 Jan 2014
BBC World
Not anything really relevant presentation wise but something technical I noticed. It appears NBC Owned Station’s are ditching the Sony HDC-1500 and the HDC-2500 series of cameras.

When KNSD and later Telemundo 20 got the new building in 2016 they got the Grass Valley LDX-86 ugradable cameras. The flagship WNBC got the same cameras in 2016 replacing HDC-1000 hard cameras that were used since they went HD in 2006. KXAS/KXTX which got a brand new facility and equipment in 2013 had Sony’s but recently got the LDX’s likely we’ll before they needed to be replaced. However NBC’s newest station and retrofit NBC 10 (WBTS Boston), existing Telemundo Nuevo Inglaterra and NECN got new HDC-2500s replacing P1s for the WBTS launch.

It’s just something I noticed. Aside from the LDX-86s having an upgradable 4K sensor - which will produce better images in HD mode. Is there really any difference between the two? The cameras are sled mounted but I don’t see them being removed when handheld segments are needed.

It’s worth noting that the network is still relying on the HDC-1500 and HDC-2500s in the main studios.
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noggin13,901 posts since 26 Jun 2001
I hope they have bought one more LDX than they had Sony... Most people I know using LDKs report that they are less reliable (so you need more spares) in a busy studio or OB environment, so you should always plan for at least one LDK/LDX to be out of action and in maintenance being repaired.

The ergonomics of the LDK/LDX series when operating handheld are also less well regarded by all the operators I know. They universally appear to prefer the HSC/HDC Sony design. Similarly the camera control (aka Racks) functionality on Sony appears to be more responsive, with less switching latency on the MCP/MSU.

I can understand replacing HDC1500s - they are definitely probably out of their expected life now (though if their chips haven't run out of stuck-pixel storage and they've had an easy life then there is no real need to replace them I guess?) - 2500s though are pretty current and a great camera. However it makes sense to be all-Sony or all-GVG. Mixing the two is not a good idea.

Grass Valley will often do turnkey deals where you get a good deal on LDK/LDX cameras if you also buy their switchers and things like their K2 Dyno servers - and this can be significant if you are going for an IP install as GVG have good, but slightly bespoke, IP solutions...

Sony will also do deals - but their server offering isn't as compelling(*), and their IP integration took longer.

You can also often do large-scale procurement deals - which will get you very hefty discounts - if you place a very large order for multiple studios with a unified, standard, camera spec. NEP Visions did this globally with the Sony HDC 4300 I believe, buying hundreds.

(*) Though to be fair K2 doesn't have a solid reputation either (EVS still rules the roost in that regard)
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Rkolsen2,330 posts since 20 Jan 2014
BBC World
The affiliates all are automated on Ross OverDrive and have Kayenne (I think that’s the top of the line switcher) switching with minimal panels (the panel has significantly less M/E rows than they actually have M/Es). I think they run Grass Valley servers (or did) and in until recently used Edius in the field but have switched to Premier.

As for spares every station has one or two cameras for the newsroom or as a flash cam. I imagine they could easily disconnect one of the LDX’s from them to the studio.
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