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MSNBC is still nothing more than Fox News for American liberals.

That's just not true. In terms of political leaning yes, but in terms of quality of journalism and ethics they're miles apart.

(MS)NBC is like the other news outlets in that it actually does do proper news with actual journalism. When there is a story they'll report it no matter what or who it's about. Fox doesn't, it reports only what's convenient for its audience to know


Sorry, I'll have to disagree. Left-leaning media is just as bad as right-wing media. it's infotainment for those in their own bubble for which MSNBC is just as irresponsible as Fox News. They may not 'lie' as Fox does, but it's all about reaffirming the audience's own bias rather than informing. You're not going to get a left-leaning AOC type watching Fox News in the same way you're not going to get a mask denying Trump supporter watching MSNBC (or anything they consider MSM).

The only NBC produced news output that is anywhere considered impartial are the network bulletins and Shep's hour on CNBC.


Agree with this, News should be News and reported as such. I have to say What I have seen of Shep's show on CNBC is the closest thing to a proper News Bulletin that you would get in Britain, Ireland or Western Europe. (I can't comment on Eastern Europe as I don't know enough about it)
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London Lite Founding member London London
I'd like to hope if Biden wins that these networks, especially CNN US revert to a more impartial news format.

MSNBC certainly before Trump wasn't so heavy on the left wing bias bar the opinion shows, which would leave Fox back to doing what it did best before the Donald became president, bashing the Dems rather than being a puppet network for the Trump Administration.
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Inspector Sands
I'd like to hope if Biden wins that these networks, especially CNN US revert to a more impartial news format.

MSNBC certainly before Trump wasn't so heavy on the left wing bias bar the opinion shows, which would leave Fox back to doing what it did best before the Donald became president, bashing the Dems rather than being a puppet network for the Trump Administration.

Things will hopefully return to how they were. Nothing about Trumps tenure has been normal*. He's sped up the news cycle and made it all about him, it's also made normal reporting seem more biased and unbalanced. It's not necessarily that the news channels have gone 'left' it's that the administration has gone so far to the right. No news organisation with any reputation to keep is going to be seen to be fair to a lot of what Trump comes out with. CNN is never going to be impartial about white supremacy for example. Even Fox News baulks at that, there's a limit even for them.

The other aspect is the sheer amount of news Trump generates, some weeks there's been more news from the White House than there were in months of Obama or Bush's administration. You don't get presidents announcing policy via constant tweets, you don't get the constant need for fact-checking. That's why there's so much opinion, and less news - Trump and his team dominate the news in the US


*hopefully his style of politics hasn't been normalised. Biden is of the old school, if he wins hopefully there won't be the demand for a constant dialogue from his administration via social media. it has already been said that there will be a lot less work for journalists and pundits post-Trump
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seamus
That's just not true. In terms of political leaning yes, but in terms of quality of journalism and ethics they're miles apart.


(MS)NBC is like the other news outlets in that it actually does do proper news with actual journalism. When there is a story they'll report it no matter what or who it's about. Fox doesn't, it reports only what's convenient for its audience to know


Sorry, I'll have to disagree. Left-leaning media is just as bad as right-wing media. it's infotainment for those in their own bubble for which MSNBC is just as irresponsible as Fox News. They may not 'lie' as Fox does, but it's all about reaffirming the audience's own bias rather than informing. You're not going to get a left-leaning AOC type watching Fox News in the same way you're not going to get a mask denying Trump supporter watching MSNBC (or anything they consider MSM).

The only NBC produced news output that is anywhere considered impartial are the network bulletins and Shep's hour on CNBC.


Agree with this, News should be News and reported as such. I have to say What I have seen of Shep's show on CNBC is the closest thing to a proper News Bulletin that you would get in Britain, Ireland or Western Europe. (I can't comment on Eastern Europe as I don't know enough about it)


I’d say the PBS Newshour is closer - think the BBC 10 interspersed with a less snarky Newsnight.
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CNBC London coming from a temporary set on the other side of the studio area today. There was some reference to changes to be unveiled soon, so possibly we’ve seen the last of the weirdest-shaped desk in television.


And the new set is in place as of this morning. They’ve completely replaced the video wall and (not surprisingly given WFH) removed the newsroom backdrop completely.


A footnote to this is that what I assumed was just a temporary set is still in place on the other side of the studio and has continued to be used every day for Street Signs at 9am, which is a bit odd. The revamped video wall is appearing but none of the new set area.

It will be interesting to see if this hour starts to become a bit of a backwater now that it is no longer being simulcast on CNBC US. They have done quite well of late in persuading guests in the States to get up between 4:30 and 5 ET to come on.
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valley
CNBC London coming from a temporary set on the other side of the studio area today. There was some reference to changes to be unveiled soon, so possibly we’ve seen the last of the weirdest-shaped desk in television.


And the new set is in place as of this morning. They’ve completely replaced the video wall and (not surprisingly given WFH) removed the newsroom backdrop completely.


A footnote to this is that what I assumed was just a temporary set is still in place on the other side of the studio and has continued to be used every day for Street Signs at 9am, which is a bit odd. The revamped video wall is appearing but none of the new set area.

It will be interesting to see if this hour starts to become a bit of a backwater now that it is no longer being simulcast on CNBC US. They have done quite well of late in persuading guests in the States to get up between 4:30 and 5 ET to come on.

Have you got a screenshot of the temporary set?
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FranceTV

And the new set is in place as of this morning. They’ve completely replaced the video wall and (not surprisingly given WFH) removed the newsroom backdrop completely.


A footnote to this is that what I assumed was just a temporary set is still in place on the other side of the studio and has continued to be used every day for Street Signs at 9am, which is a bit odd. The revamped video wall is appearing but none of the new set area.

It will be interesting to see if this hour starts to become a bit of a backwater now that it is no longer being simulcast on CNBC US. They have done quite well of late in persuading guests in the States to get up between 4:30 and 5 ET to come on.

Have you got a screenshot of the temporary set?




Appears just after 1:10 in this video.
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valley

A footnote to this is that what I assumed was just a temporary set is still in place on the other side of the studio and has continued to be used every day for Street Signs at 9am, which is a bit odd. The revamped video wall is appearing but none of the new set area.

It will be interesting to see if this hour starts to become a bit of a backwater now that it is no longer being simulcast on CNBC US. They have done quite well of late in persuading guests in the States to get up between 4:30 and 5 ET to come on.

Have you got a screenshot of the temporary set?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UFHEqyXXyc

Appears just after 1:10 in this video.

Thanks, that’s an interesting set. Presenter is taking an odd eyeline too which doesn’t help.
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FranceTV
Have you got a screenshot of the temporary set?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UFHEqyXXyc

Appears just after 1:10 in this video.

Thanks, that’s an interesting set. Presenter is taking an odd eyeline too which doesn’t help.


I’ve caught very little of Street Signs this week, but they seem to be basically restricted to two camera angles as well.

Can only assume there’s a good reason why they can’t use the shiny new set during this hour. Something to do with Ian King maybe, now it’s on at 10?
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FrancesC
To be fair, MSNBC is left-leaning but it doesn't hide that fact. There does appear to be a clear difference between News and Opinion on the Network. (most of the time) Obviously Fox is Fox and at this stage, you'd expect any Media literate person to know what they're getting when they tune in there. (the problem is that a lot of their audience are not Media Literate)

The one American News Network that has really lost the plot is CNN, It's far more left than any other Network, but claims each and every report is straight down the middle. That may be the case for CNN international, but the domestic Network is basically a branch of the Democratic Party. That wouldn't be an issue if they admitted it, but they won't.

Plus MSNBC does seem to cover more than one Story, which doesn't appear to be the case Generally on CNN or FOX which both have Tunnel vision for Trump, Hurricanes, and Protests.

And again CNN International is a different Beast, but its habitat seems to shrink year after year.

I sometimes watch MSNBC daytime but I seldom the stories beyond the White House and the Capitol Hill…
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London Lite Founding member London London
CNBC London coming from a temporary set on the other side of the studio area today. There was some reference to changes to be unveiled soon, so possibly we’ve seen the last of the weirdest-shaped desk in television.


And the new set is in place as of this morning. They’ve completely replaced the video wall and (not surprisingly given WFH) removed the newsroom backdrop completely.


A footnote to this is that what I assumed was just a temporary set is still in place on the other side of the studio and has continued to be used every day for Street Signs at 9am, which is a bit odd. The revamped video wall is appearing but none of the new set area.

It will be interesting to see if this hour starts to become a bit of a backwater now that it is no longer being simulcast on CNBC US. They have done quite well of late in persuading guests in the States to get up between 4:30 and 5 ET to come on.


Worth noting that the US has CNBC World, which simulcasts the Europe and Asia hours, so they're not missing anything including European Street Signs. CNBC World during US hours shows business reality shows and weekend programming produced by Asia and Europe such as The Edge and CNBC in Conversation.
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headliner101 West Country (West) Points West
MSNBC certainly before Trump wasn't so heavy on the left wing bias bar the opinion shows, which would leave Fox back to doing what it did best before the Donald became president, bashing the Dems rather than being a puppet network for the Trump Administration.


That statement needs a little bit more nuance. In the 2007-early 2015 period, they were a paradise for the left. You'd have Keith Olbermann, Ed Schultz, Melissa Harris-Perry amongst others. Then 2015 came and they shifted to the centre. That lasted for about two years before Maddow started presenting her Russia hit pieces and the network experienced a surge in ratings.

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