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N6 New Backing

(April 2005)

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Aston
NickyS posted:
Er and when did I to quote you "slag off" the previous News 24 countdown? I don't remember doing that ... I think you'll find that nine times out of ten the people who post on this forum from inside the BBC post information etc for people on this forum. You know that people like myself and Noggin etc work inside the corporation and ofcourse some information we can't pass on for various reasons but I think we do our best to let you know stuff is happening. To be totally honest I was so busy yesterday before the One I forgot to post something suggesting you watch. FYI I quite like the current N24 countdown but I also liked the last one. Personally I liked the flags best - nice and calming for me.
As to your other comments - times changes, things move on. One of my favourite title sequences was the original Breakfast Time - great theme, great images, nice bold logo ... but that was the 1980's .... things change. Yes the virtual blue era was good for it's time but the way News is presented has changed. It is less formal ... also it seems in a competitive world that having a BBC News brand is a sensible idea. The changes to the N6 backdrop are just a progression of that. The red stripe behind the presenters is to make it like News 24 and BBC World ... it makes it easier for any studio to be used on any network and for it to still look like a BBC News product. Personally I like the News 24/World real newsroom back drop but that's not practical in the national studio.
I also think you're unfair to say we BBC posters just back the corporate line ... but yes the bottom line is that we have to think before we post. Just like anyone in any job there are some things you can't say in public about your company without getting into trouble. Personally I think that the BBC insiders provide quite a lot of information to the TV Forum and slagging us makes us think twice before posting something.


Couldn't agree with you more Nicky...
YE
yellow_hello
nat210790 posted:
I'm beginning to get a little annoyed with the BBC's constant focus on using the colour red


Confused It's called a colour scheme... I mean its not like they've ALWAYS had red, they had the beige a few years back, and then it was blue before that. ITV News is obviously blue because its logo is. You can't just have all news presentation being white or black on every channel! And I can't remember whether it was you or someone else that said that the BBC was biased towards Labour because its red. Again, everything must have a colour scheme. If you look at everything like that, BBC News is biased to Labour, as is BBC ONE, BBC TWO is biased towards UKIP and Lib Dem, ITV is Tory, Five is UKIP, Sky is Labour AND Conversative... the list goes on!
Sorry about that... just had to vent that bit of frustration.

Back onto the subject!! I think the backdrop is a bit too busy, although it does look quite nice from some angles. I think its a shame they don't use a live shot because it does looked great in the days on the beige! The excuse they gave for not using a live backdrop when I was on the BBC TVC tour was because once Moira Stewert (sorry if that's mis-spelled) was presenting the news in the studio, but because there was a 10 minute delay on the backdrop it clearly showed her walking up the stairs at the beginning of the bulettin, and because it was reflected onto the other side of the pillar, nearing the end of the bulletin she was seen going up the stairs again!! A bit wierd and a bit of a lame excuse in my opinion!
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AdamP
Just went for a look in N6, and found that part of the new backdrop is real. The red stripe is really there, on top of a low perspex wall.

It'll be interesting to see how this works with the other programmes recorded there which use different backdrops, HardTalk and HardTalk extra, for example.
GE
thegeek Founding member
Hymagumba posted:
I don't care but I hope they get rid of the appaulingly clunky end

"those are the headlines so it's goodbye from me and now it's time to join the bbc's news teams accross the united kingdom goodbye."

Try ringing BBC Information?
Remember the really clunky line "A look at the time - it's a quarter past six. The headlines.."? (always delivered without a so much as a glance in the direction of a watch) That got dropped after a caller to the duty office called it "repetitive and unnecessary".


It was a friend who called in. Honest.
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Matrix
thegeek posted:
Hymagumba posted:
I don't care but I hope they get rid of the appaulingly clunky end

"those are the headlines so it's goodbye from me and now it's time to join the bbc's news teams accross the united kingdom goodbye."

Try ringing BBC Information?
Remember the really clunky line "A look at the time - it's a quarter past six. The headlines.."? (always delivered without a so much as a glance in the direction of a watch) That got dropped after a caller to the duty office called it "repetitive and unnecessary".


It was a friend who called in. Honest.


You haven't seen the six recently then? They are still using that bloody catchline. Sian just looks at the table and says it, while George, well I doubt he knows where he is.
The Six really is appauling in pres terms at the minute. I can't stand that blood HEADLINES aston, treating people like they are in a nursing home.
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Equidem
Firstly Nicky, I wasn't slagging you off.

My original point (which has become vastly mis-interpreted), was that it is frustrating when individuals who work for the BBC (some, not all I may add), constantly toe the official line, when it's usually quite obvious reading between the lines that they are saying one thing, but meaning another.

I'm really not going to get back into it now, but your little threat above about not posting anything in future, amuses me. Whether you chose to post information or not, is totally up to you. No one's forcing you to post, although I think the reasoning behind it is perhaps you enjoy having a group of adolecent homosexuals clinging onto your every typed word?

I could be wrong, but I don't care.
GE
thegeek Founding member
Matrix posted:
You haven't seen the six recently then? They are still using that bloody catchline. Sian just looks at the table and says it, while George, well I doubt he knows where he is.
The Six really is appauling in pres terms at the minute. I can't stand that blood HEADLINES aston, treating people like they are in a nursing home.
Ah, well, it stopped for a bit. With The Simpsons being on 4, I never watch the Six these days..
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Isonstine Founding member
Weirdo weirdo weirdo. Consider yourself banned from this forum.
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Inspector Sands
Equidem posted:
My original point (which has become vastly mis-interpreted), was that it is frustrating when individuals who work for the BBC (some, not all I may add), constantly toe the official line, when it's usually quite obvious reading between the lines that they are saying one thing, but meaning another..


Personally I wouldn't write what I didn't mean and if it was something particually negative about the company I work for then I wouldn't comment at all
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Matrix
thegeek posted:
Matrix posted:
You haven't seen the six recently then? They are still using that bloody catchline. Sian just looks at the table and says it, while George, well I doubt he knows where he is.
The Six really is appauling in pres terms at the minute. I can't stand that blood HEADLINES aston, treating people like they are in a nursing home.
Ah, well, it stopped for a bit. With The Simpsons being on 4, I never watch the Six these days..


Sadly I must agree. It's either Channel 4 News or Radio 4's PM which does it now-a-days.
And on a slightly related note, can I vent my anger at what has happened to the BBC Four News or as it's now called "The World". It really has done a nose dive in pres terms as well as news content.
I really would like to know who is in charge of Presentation at BBC News.

Joel.
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itsrobert Founding member
Matrix posted:
thegeek posted:
Hymagumba posted:
I don't care but I hope they get rid of the appaulingly clunky end

"those are the headlines so it's goodbye from me and now it's time to join the bbc's news teams accross the united kingdom goodbye."

Try ringing BBC Information?
Remember the really clunky line "A look at the time - it's a quarter past six. The headlines.."? (always delivered without a so much as a glance in the direction of a watch) That got dropped after a caller to the duty office called it "repetitive and unnecessary".


It was a friend who called in. Honest.


You haven't seen the six recently then? They are still using that bloody catchline. Sian just looks at the table and says it, while George, well I doubt he knows where he is.
The Six really is appauling in pres terms at the minute. I can't stand that blood HEADLINES aston, treating people like they are in a nursing home.


The intro headlines also annoy me on the Six O'clock News. For some reason, they use the bed with one bong and keep restarting it after every headline. That usually means it sounds a mess, as it's rarely re-starting in time with the beat. I don't know why they can't either copy the One with the 5 bong bed, or the Ten with 1 bong and 3 bongs respectively. I much prefer the One's approach -- short, simple headlines in time with the original head beds. The Ten's waffle at the start used to annoy me, but I'm getting used to it now.

Regarding the BBC1 beds -- they'll have been in use for six years in May. I know for a fact that new opening beds were made for the 2004 rebrand, but they were never used. The promo and closing beds are used on air, but the opening ones were shelved. A shame really, as they fit with the titles much better than the 1999 ones. Does anyone know why they've never been used?

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