MA
The new back-drop looks much more "in-tune" with the current branding exercise.
The desk is a dramatic improvement and looks much better than the yellow tint it used to have.
Typical BBC News here but why not launch a complete package all at once? I mean why change over a period of time. Could this new back-drop not ahve waited to changes to the on-screen pres, astons etc?
Other than that looks rather good. Anyone thing Breakie might be getting a different version of the "artists impression"?
Oh and was I the only one who went cross eyed looking at Alex Dekin.
The desk is a dramatic improvement and looks much better than the yellow tint it used to have.
Typical BBC News here but why not launch a complete package all at once? I mean why change over a period of time. Could this new back-drop not ahve waited to changes to the on-screen pres, astons etc?
Other than that looks rather good. Anyone thing Breakie might be getting a different version of the "artists impression"?
Oh and was I the only one who went cross eyed looking at Alex Dekin.
EQ
Because it looked dreadful on camera.
If it was so 'dreadful', why did the BBC use it in the first place? I mean, surely backdrops and set designs are tried and tested before they are unleashed on-air, so why is it now being called 'dreadful'.
If you want 'dreadful', noggin, I suggest you take yourself and your colleagues down to N6 and show them that hash-up of a new backdrop. That is 'dreadful' on camera.
But of course while it is being used on-air, your official line will be "Oh it's marvelous, it's fabulous, it looks great!". Until someone higher up than you realises that it looks 'dreadful', and then your line will change to "Well, that 2005 backdrop did look dreadful".
The same with the balloons, virtual news studio of 1993 (which IIRC you helped create the titles for!) are all criticised constantly, where in actual fact you should be criticising the total shambles which is the national news on BBC One. It's merely a shadow of it's former self, but of course anything that preceeded what the BBC uses today is 'dreadful'.
noggin posted:
Davidjb posted:
It makes even less sense than the last backdrop. Far too much detail trying to be crammed in. They had a perfectly good almost live shot of the real newsroom a few years back, why not just stick to that?
Because it looked dreadful on camera.
If it was so 'dreadful', why did the BBC use it in the first place? I mean, surely backdrops and set designs are tried and tested before they are unleashed on-air, so why is it now being called 'dreadful'.
If you want 'dreadful', noggin, I suggest you take yourself and your colleagues down to N6 and show them that hash-up of a new backdrop. That is 'dreadful' on camera.
But of course while it is being used on-air, your official line will be "Oh it's marvelous, it's fabulous, it looks great!". Until someone higher up than you realises that it looks 'dreadful', and then your line will change to "Well, that 2005 backdrop did look dreadful".
The same with the balloons, virtual news studio of 1993 (which IIRC you helped create the titles for!) are all criticised constantly, where in actual fact you should be criticising the total shambles which is the national news on BBC One. It's merely a shadow of it's former self, but of course anything that preceeded what the BBC uses today is 'dreadful'.
DA
Because it looked dreadful on camera.
Ok it didn't show much, but surely you agree it looked better than these fake backdrops? This new one just looks like someone knocked it up over the weekend for something to do. I suppose though, the backdrop is hardly the highest priority of things to do in the News department.
Davidjb
Founding member
noggin posted:
Davidjb posted:
It makes even less sense than the last backdrop. Far too much detail trying to be crammed in. They had a perfectly good almost live shot of the real newsroom a few years back, why not just stick to that?
Because it looked dreadful on camera.
Ok it didn't show much, but surely you agree it looked better than these fake backdrops? This new one just looks like someone knocked it up over the weekend for something to do. I suppose though, the backdrop is hardly the highest priority of things to do in the News department.
ML
Blimey, looks very fresh close-up. Not too sure about the wide shots to be honest - very complicated.
The worst thing for me is that I'll have to start mocking/recreating the backing soon as I've done before with the previous one! Help!
Would anybody like to see a recreation of this? It looks quite difficult, but I think I'll crack it
Lloyd
The worst thing for me is that I'll have to start mocking/recreating the backing soon as I've done before with the previous one! Help!
Would anybody like to see a recreation of this? It looks quite difficult, but I think I'll crack it
Lloyd
PE
Pete
Founding member
After watching again on the six I quite like it on the single presenter shot but on any other shot it looks bad, mainly due to the studio itself being so awful. The mirrors need removed, the red walls are tacky, the floor is bad, the desk (although now a better colour) is too small and too high and the shape of the whole thing is foul.
It's not as bad as Breakfast's given but it's just a horrid nasty little studio that should be burnt down.
It's not as bad as Breakfast's given but it's just a horrid nasty little studio that should be burnt down.
TV
It would be awesome if you can re-create the current backdrop. I am quite sure you'll do a good job!
The Mock Lab posted:
Blimey, looks very fresh close-up. Not too sure about the wide shots to be honest - very complicated.
The worst thing for me is that I'll have to start mocking/recreating the backing soon as I've done before with the previous one! Help!
Would anybody like to see a recreation of this? It looks quite difficult, but I think I'll crack it
Lloyd
The worst thing for me is that I'll have to start mocking/recreating the backing soon as I've done before with the previous one! Help!
Would anybody like to see a recreation of this? It looks quite difficult, but I think I'll crack it
Lloyd
It would be awesome if you can re-create the current backdrop. I am quite sure you'll do a good job!
NG
Because it looked dreadful on camera.
If it was so 'dreadful', why did the BBC use it in the first place? I mean, surely backdrops and set designs are tried and tested before they are unleashed on-air, so why is it now being called 'dreadful'.
If you want 'dreadful', noggin, I suggest you take yourself and your colleagues down to N6 and show them that hash-up of a new backdrop. That is 'dreadful' on camera.
But of course while it is being used on-air, your official line will be "Oh it's marvelous, it's fabulous, it looks great!". Until someone higher up than you realises that it looks 'dreadful', and then your line will change to "Well, that 2005 backdrop did look dreadful".
The same with the balloons, virtual news studio of 1993 (which IIRC you helped create the titles for!) are all criticised constantly, where in actual fact you should be criticising the total shambles which is the national news on BBC One. It's merely a shadow of it's former self, but of course anything that preceeded what the BBC uses today is 'dreadful'.
Dunno who you think I am - but you are barking up completely the wrong tree if you think I was in any way involved with the 1993 blue virtual set... I was still in full-time education at the time.
The N6 beige/red look was an interesting "move on" from the very cold and blue virtual look (itself very clever technically for the time, but quite distancing to the viewer)
However, personally, I always thought the newsroom projected backdrop, especially with the mirror image delay, never looked right on camera. Part of the problem was the odd perspective that the very high wide shot suffered from, part of the problem was the problem of shooting a live camera into real windows both daytime and night time. Inevitably a fake mask was added, and the colour balance of the camera screens varied wildly daily.
ITNs lightbox solution from the same era was in many ways a more effective "hint at a newsroom" backdrop - though I didn't like the colour scheme.
I personally think the refresh of the N6 backdrop has lightened up a bit, and the whole colour balance of the studio seems to have been sorted out a bit. Not saying it is perfect - and it is visually more busy, however it does tie it in more closely with News 24, and does make it feel a bit more dynamic.
noggin
Founding member
Equidem posted:
noggin posted:
Davidjb posted:
It makes even less sense than the last backdrop. Far too much detail trying to be crammed in. They had a perfectly good almost live shot of the real newsroom a few years back, why not just stick to that?
Because it looked dreadful on camera.
If it was so 'dreadful', why did the BBC use it in the first place? I mean, surely backdrops and set designs are tried and tested before they are unleashed on-air, so why is it now being called 'dreadful'.
If you want 'dreadful', noggin, I suggest you take yourself and your colleagues down to N6 and show them that hash-up of a new backdrop. That is 'dreadful' on camera.
But of course while it is being used on-air, your official line will be "Oh it's marvelous, it's fabulous, it looks great!". Until someone higher up than you realises that it looks 'dreadful', and then your line will change to "Well, that 2005 backdrop did look dreadful".
The same with the balloons, virtual news studio of 1993 (which IIRC you helped create the titles for!) are all criticised constantly, where in actual fact you should be criticising the total shambles which is the national news on BBC One. It's merely a shadow of it's former self, but of course anything that preceeded what the BBC uses today is 'dreadful'.
Dunno who you think I am - but you are barking up completely the wrong tree if you think I was in any way involved with the 1993 blue virtual set... I was still in full-time education at the time.
The N6 beige/red look was an interesting "move on" from the very cold and blue virtual look (itself very clever technically for the time, but quite distancing to the viewer)
However, personally, I always thought the newsroom projected backdrop, especially with the mirror image delay, never looked right on camera. Part of the problem was the odd perspective that the very high wide shot suffered from, part of the problem was the problem of shooting a live camera into real windows both daytime and night time. Inevitably a fake mask was added, and the colour balance of the camera screens varied wildly daily.
ITNs lightbox solution from the same era was in many ways a more effective "hint at a newsroom" backdrop - though I didn't like the colour scheme.
I personally think the refresh of the N6 backdrop has lightened up a bit, and the whole colour balance of the studio seems to have been sorted out a bit. Not saying it is perfect - and it is visually more busy, however it does tie it in more closely with News 24, and does make it feel a bit more dynamic.
IS
However, personally, I always thought the newsroom projected backdrop, especially with the mirror image delay, never looked right on camera. Part of the problem was the odd perspective that the very high wide shot suffered from, part of the problem was the problem of shooting a live camera into real windows both daytime and night time. Inevitably a fake mask was added, and the colour balance of the camera screens varied wildly daily.
The perspective was very odd, the actual area used was a diffrent shape and the curved windows just didn't match up when there were 2 side-by-side.
I wouldn't have thought that the old newsroom view (which for a large period of time wasn't actually live due to the reconstruction work after the bomb) would fit at all on the new backdrop anyway, it's far too wide an area to cover with such a narrow view
noggin posted:
However, personally, I always thought the newsroom projected backdrop, especially with the mirror image delay, never looked right on camera. Part of the problem was the odd perspective that the very high wide shot suffered from, part of the problem was the problem of shooting a live camera into real windows both daytime and night time. Inevitably a fake mask was added, and the colour balance of the camera screens varied wildly daily.
The perspective was very odd, the actual area used was a diffrent shape and the curved windows just didn't match up when there were 2 side-by-side.
I wouldn't have thought that the old newsroom view (which for a large period of time wasn't actually live due to the reconstruction work after the bomb) would fit at all on the new backdrop anyway, it's far too wide an area to cover with such a narrow view