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Marcus1,289 posts since 2 Jul 2001
timmy posted:

All that aside though Robin Cook was a brilliant MP, principled and clever and I'll certainly miss him.


He certainly was. His destruction of the Tory Governments position on the Scott report was a stunning piece of parliamentary debate.

If only there had been a intellect approaching Cook's on the Tory side when Hutton reported
snarfu174 posts since 4 Jan 2003
There was a case recently when sky quoted a source for a story and then this was taken by Reuters. Sky then later quoted a Reuters wire for this story - which was originally based on the source from Sky. Shocked

Does this count as your two sources for the BBC. I think not.
p_c_u_k2,069 posts since 27 Mar 2004
Incidentally, the BBC, after doing its holier than now "We can't report something unless it's confirmed", have now said two hours in a row "It looks like he possibly may have died of a heart attack".

That's not confirmed, is it? Am I missing something, or is there no difference?
graemed198024 posts since 6 Aug 2005
I hate to stand up for Carrie Frais on the ITVNC (I admit she lacks 'gravitas'), but she didnt know what was going to happen during her shift and it wasnt her fault that the technology let her down. She conducted a very thoughtful interview with Frank Dobson, and I get the feeling he would agree, he seemed very relaxed with her and her questions. It is a shame that ITVNC dont have a weekend 'team' but she did OK for an inexperienced broadcaster - and respected an obviously upset friend of Robin Cook.
p_c_u_k2,069 posts since 27 Mar 2004
I don't think the presenters themselves can be blamed in any way on the ITV News Channel. The channel is clearly stretched due to lack of funds. Any fault therefore for putting in inexperienced heads on a channel which may see them dealing with anything from the death of an MP, through to another 9/11, through to a nuclear attack, rests with ITV PLC, not the poor sod that's presenting at the time.
Dunedin1,569 posts since 16 Jan 2003
I think people are also forgetting that the performance of the news channels varies by story- there have been many occasions when News 24 has out-shone its rivals and many times when Sky has put News 24 to shame.

Sometimes it comes down to staffing at a particular moment in a particular day- a lot comes down to luck.

But the key here is choice- if cat really wants News 24 to run with "Sky: Robin Cook seriously ill" on its aston (and presumably the other way round if News 24 got there first), then why have two news organisations?

It seems rather pointless. It's about choice for the viewer- do you want the latest wires without confirmation (Sky) or confirmed stories (BBC)? I believe I'm right in saying that the last Pope died three times on Sky News- would it have been useful to stick up "Sky: Pope Dead" on News 24?

Clearly not.

The reason why Sky is on the "screens of power" (something which they constantly go on about) is because it reports wire stories as they are- their filter is purely that which would interest the british public.

Let's get one thing straight- there's nothing big or clever about paying your AP/PA/AFP wire subscription and paraphrasing what you read onto your astons. This is how 80+% of breaking news emerges on all the channels. The distinction between the news channels in for the final 20% (maybe less) that come through their own sources- it would appear that Sky got the better of News 24 today, but there have been many occasions the other way round.
Andrew13,666 posts since 27 Mar 2001
p_c_u_k posted:
I don't think the presenters themselves can be blamed in any way on the ITV News Channel. The channel is clearly stretched due to lack of funds. Any fault therefore for putting in inexperienced heads on a channel which may see them dealing with anything from the death of an MP, through to another 9/11, through to a nuclear attack, rests with ITV PLC, not the poor sod that's presenting at the time.

All it was was that one report failed to run so she moved on, that happens on the BBC Ten O'Clock News!

You only stop being inexperienced with experience, and anyway Carrie Frais probably did better than Peter Sissons
Psythor207 posts since 19 Aug 2003
This may be a silly question, but if something is discovered, which is still being checked, or if it is embargoed, will the presenter that's on air know about this? (Apply any news channel you like to this question).

The reason I ask is that Peter Scissons, up until the point where it was confirmed that Robin Cook had died was phrasing things in the past tense- if he didn't know before we did, but whoever makes important editorial decisions did, it would perhaps make him look more convincing in terms of "we don't know what's happening yet", (despite the past tense). Yet if he did, I suppose he may accidentally break the enforced silence. The former being a bit like the Soviet ambassador to the United States during the Cuban missile crisis.
Inspector Sands13,766 posts since 25 Aug 2004
Psythor posted:
This may be a silly question, but if something is discovered, which is still being checked, or if it is embargoed, will the presenter that's on air know about this? (Apply any news channel you like to this question).

The reason I ask is that Peter Scissons, up until the point where it was confirmed that Robin Cook had died was phrasing things in the past tense- if he didn't know before we did, but whoever makes important editorial decisions did, it would perhaps make him look more convincing in terms of "we don't know what's happening yet", (despite the past tense). Yet if he did, I suppose he may accidentally break the enforced silence. The former being a bit like the Soviet ambassador to the United States during the Cuban missile crisis.


The presenter has the same computer programme running as everyone else (called ENPS) among the many things it does it displays the news wires... so assuming they are looking in the right place at the right time they would see any announcement.

No doubt Peter Sissons knew exactly what was going on... you can't keep that sort of thing from a presenter, they need to know such things.
Magoo979 posts since 8 Jan 2005
wells posted:
Is it me or does it allways seem to be weekends these sorts of storys break.


To be fair there has been an extremely unproportional number of high-profile deaths at the weekend this year, if that's what you mean. This has often lead the news channels to be caught off guard due to the fact that they are less well staffed at the weekend. Off the top of my head - Robin Cook, Pope John Paul II, James Callaghan, Ted Heath, John Mills, Richard Whiteley..