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TV News Coverage of Royal Events (April 2012)

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CO
Connews
With regards to the Today interview, I don't think it's necessarily that presenters aren't experts or passionate about the royal family; after all, Julie Etchingham, Philip Schofield et al. would have had to perform strenuous research in order to provide comprehensive coverage and they have been perceived to have done quite well.
IT
itsrobert Founding member
With regards to the Today interview, I don't think it's necessarily that presenters aren't experts or passionate about the royal family; after all, Julie Etchingham, Philip Schofield et al. would have had to perform strenuous research in order to provide comprehensive coverage and they have been perceived to have done quite well.


I can't fault ITV's presenters - all of them from Schofield and Etchingham right down to the reporters like Natasha Kaplinsky, Geraint Vincent et al were all well informed about the aspect they were covering. Add to that the expertise of David Starkey and it made for intelligent discussion and analysis. I think it's more the BBC's non-journalist presenters that the Radio 4 critic was talking about. The likes of Fearne Cotton, who on Sunday, insulted a war veteran (who survived his ship sinking by clinging on to a dead shark) by getting his name wrong and having no factual knowledge of the ship she was standing on. It's that type of poor research that is inexcusable from such a prestigious organisation as the BBC.
BR
Brekkie
If China and Russia don't care their relevent news stations won't be covering it. If they do they will. Similarly international stations are there to serve their audience

You do get the point of an 'international news station' don't you? They broadcast to every country and the proportion of those who are interested in an anniversary taking place in the UK are very small

There is no such thing as an International News Station - it would be impossible. There are stations which broadcast internationally, but they are all essentially a product of their parent company and the varying news agendas shows that.

The critic on Radio 4 made a good point when she said that too often these days commentators and presenters spend too much time describing what the viewer can see; they almost forget that they are broadcasting to a TV audience rather than radio. For TV, the presenters should be informing viewers with information they can't get from the pictures.

That what worries me about Huw Edwards and the Olympics - in Beijing and Delhi he just didn't allow the pictures to tell the story. However dare to question their choice of lead commentator and the BBC just tell you it's a news event so he's doing it despite the numerous complaints about his previous efforts and rather than try and make the flagship BBC1 airing the best it can be they tell us to piss off to watch the red button no commentary option if we don't want to be inflicted by Huw.
IT
itsrobert Founding member
That what worries me about Huw Edwards and the Olympics - in Beijing and Delhi he just didn't allow the pictures to tell the story. However dare to question their choice of lead commentator and the BBC just tell you it's a news event so he's doing it despite the numerous complaints about his previous efforts and rather than try and make the flagship BBC1 airing the best it can be they tell us to p*** off to watch the red button no commentary option if we don't want to be inflicted by Huw.


Yes, I think there's an endemic problem within broadcasting nowadays in which there is a fear of silence. Presenters are obviously instructed not to allow more than a few seconds of silence before saying something again. It's rare for them to let viewers just take in what's happening and soak up the atmosphere as if they were at the event themselves. I appreciate they need to provide a commentary for visually impaired members of the audience, but really they would probably be better off listening to radio coverage where such descriptive commentary is more acceptable. I suspect TV audiences don't necessarily want a continuous commentary which merely describes what they can see with their own eyes.
MB
Media Boy
And it went out bang on 18.00.00 on the BBC News Channel as well....
indeed - N6 picked up a clean feed of BBC One on this occasion.


No it didn't - it ran its own version from server...
MB
Media Boy
The argument about whether the BBC got the Jubilee coverage wrong made it to the Today programme this morning:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9726000/9726239.stm

Some interesting arguments, many of which have already been mentioned here.


Typical BBC reaction to criticism there. Ignore most of the points that everyone agrees on and bury your head in the sand. Loved the last few seconds - the critic said (rightly) that too many of the presenters during the river pageant coverage were inexperienced and had not enough background knowledge, to which Mark Damazer replied that most of the presenters were knowledgeable and notably failed to mention the likes of Fearne Cotton, Chris Hollins and others who were inappropriate for the occasion.

He says the BBC tried to 'jazz it up' and be 'inclusive' - I don't necessarily have a problem with that. However, couldn't they have jazzed it up by including even more impressive camera work, actually being there for the key moments, and informing viewers with interesting trivia and anecdotes about the vessels and people sailing them? I think that would have gone down with most of the viewers - I can't see many of the young people who they were obviously trying to impress sitting down to watch a 4-hour pageant of old boats on a Sunday afternoon. Most of the audience were probably older and young folk like me who are actually interested in the monarchy and with a bit of a quirky interest in history etc.

The BBC seemed to treat the pageant as a backdrop for its celebrity-driven features, which was to misjudge what I suspect most of the viewers wanted - some good shots of the river with informed discussion. The critic on Radio 4 made a good point when she said that too often these days commentators and presenters spend too much time describing what the viewer can see; they almost forget that they are broadcasting to a TV audience rather than radio. For TV, the presenters should be informing viewers with information they can't get from the pictures.


Totally agree...

One feels that the BBC are missing some very key people that have moved on... and not sure events like this should be covered by BBC Entertainment.

My biggest problem, though, is an email sent today to all staff by the DG, which just shoves all the problems under a huge carpet and fails to mention anything about the viewer/press complaints and talks about how amazing it all was... not one mention of anything negative - not even a line - staggering!

That's the problem with the corporation at the moment. People will not admit that - despite trying something new - it got it wrong.
IT
itsrobert Founding member

Totally agree...

One feels that the BBC are missing some very key people that have moved on... and not sure events like this should be covered by BBC Entertainment.

My biggest problem, though, is an email sent today to all staff by the DG, which just shoves all the problems under a huge carpet and fails to mention anything about the viewer/press complaints and talks about how amazing it all was... not one mention of anything negative - not even a line - staggering!

That's the problem with the corporation at the moment. People will not admit that - despite trying something new - it got it wrong.


I'm really quite glad that you agree, Media Boy. It's comforting to know that there are people within the BBC who can see things objectively. I agree with you about BBC Entertainment not covering such events in the future. I really do think if the whole weekend had been a BBC News production, it would have been a heck of a lot better. All it needed was more credible people (especially some with a journalistic background) and let's face it, you can't get a more credible organisation than BBC News. To be honest, the best bits of the whole weekend on the BBC were to be found on the News Channel - i.e. the build-up and after-party stuff. The BBC definitely missed a trick there, which is where I think ITV made the right judgement - let ITN do it.
TM
Telly Media
And it went out bang on 18.00.00 on the BBC News Channel as well....
indeed - N6 picked up a clean feed of BBC One on this occasion.


No it didn't - it ran its own version from server...


There are reports that an overseas broadcaster may have broken the embargo and run the message before 6pm. Not sure who but something was posted on a social networking site about it apparently. Major inquiry now under way.
RM
Roger Mellie
A BBC executive answers to criticism of coverage of the jubilee, on R4 Media Show.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/b01jhdh3
WW
WW Update

There are reports that an overseas broadcaster may have broken the embargo and run the message before 6pm. Not sure who but something was posted on a social networking site about it apparently. Major inquiry now under way.


If it was an overseas broadcaster (presumably one not widely distributed in the UK) that broke the embargo, why would that be a major cause for concern?
IT
itsrobert Founding member

Totally agree...

One feels that the BBC are missing some very key people that have moved on... and not sure events like this should be covered by BBC Entertainment.

My biggest problem, though, is an email sent today to all staff by the DG, which just shoves all the problems under a huge carpet and fails to mention anything about the viewer/press complaints and talks about how amazing it all was... not one mention of anything negative - not even a line - staggering!

That's the problem with the corporation at the moment. People will not admit that - despite trying something new - it got it wrong.


I really do think if the whole weekend had been a BBC News production, it would have been a heck of a lot better. All it needed was more credible people (especially some with a journalistic background) and let's face it, you can't get a more credible organisation than BBC News.


Apologies for quoting myself, but I've just been noodling a bit more with this point. How amazing would a BBC News-produced weekend have been?! I just thought of all the newsreaders and correspondents who could have been involved. Imagine the likes of Robert Hall during the river pageant; Nicholas Witchell, Daniella Relph providing comment on the Royals, heck they could even have brought back Jenny Bond. Not to mention Simon McCoy and Tim Willcox getting amongst the crowds. I'm sure such a programme would have easily beaten ITV.
BR
Brekkie
The sad thing is it still easily beat ITV by a ratio of 3:1, with ITV sub 2m, though yesterdays BBC ratings of around 5-6m down significantly on Sunday. Even if it had been billed as The Queens Jubilee with Fearne Cotton ITV would still have taken a beating, even though quite rightly once again they won the critical fight.

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