TV
We've had three weeks to think about that - and I won't be forced into thinking about it for another minute!
Get you big boy!
Who's forcing you? It's a three and a half minute song.
Brekkie Boy posted:
TV Times posted:
Whilst we may all have an opinion on the parents actions - leave those aside for one minute and think of the hell that girl has been through and is going through - that is if she is still alive.
As I said the whole point of the Radio broadcast on Monday is to focus on the little girl - NOT the parents or the media hype.
As I said the whole point of the Radio broadcast on Monday is to focus on the little girl - NOT the parents or the media hype.
We've had three weeks to think about that - and I won't be forced into thinking about it for another minute!
Get you big boy!
Who's forcing you? It's a three and a half minute song.
PT
We've had three weeks to think about that - and I won't be forced into thinking about it for another minute!
Get you big boy!
Who's forcing you? It's a three and a half minute song.
"Who's forcing you?" Again you are missing the point entirely!
TV Times posted:
Brekkie Boy posted:
TV Times posted:
Whilst we may all have an opinion on the parents actions - leave those aside for one minute and think of the hell that girl has been through and is going through - that is if she is still alive.
As I said the whole point of the Radio broadcast on Monday is to focus on the little girl - NOT the parents or the media hype.
As I said the whole point of the Radio broadcast on Monday is to focus on the little girl - NOT the parents or the media hype.
We've had three weeks to think about that - and I won't be forced into thinking about it for another minute!
Get you big boy!
Who's forcing you? It's a three and a half minute song.
"Who's forcing you?" Again you are missing the point entirely!
NB
The radio broadcast is the media hype. It would not be there without it. I honestly can't be bothered with this story because I'm not concerned about any other similar kidnappings I don't here about. It would be churlish in my view to do otherwise.
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As I said the whole point of the Radio broadcast on Monday is to focus on the little girl - NOT the parents or the media hype.
The radio broadcast is the media hype. It would not be there without it. I honestly can't be bothered with this story because I'm not concerned about any other similar kidnappings I don't here about. It would be churlish in my view to do otherwise.
TV
We've had three weeks to think about that - and I won't be forced into thinking about it for another minute!
Get you big boy!
Who's forcing you? It's a three and a half minute song.
"Who's forcing you?" Again you are missing the point entirely!
Pray tell Master of All Knowledge - the point I am missing.
nok32uk posted:
TV Times posted:
Brekkie Boy posted:
TV Times posted:
Whilst we may all have an opinion on the parents actions - leave those aside for one minute and think of the hell that girl has been through and is going through - that is if she is still alive.
As I said the whole point of the Radio broadcast on Monday is to focus on the little girl - NOT the parents or the media hype.
As I said the whole point of the Radio broadcast on Monday is to focus on the little girl - NOT the parents or the media hype.
We've had three weeks to think about that - and I won't be forced into thinking about it for another minute!
Get you big boy!
Who's forcing you? It's a three and a half minute song.
"Who's forcing you?" Again you are missing the point entirely!
Pray tell Master of All Knowledge - the point I am missing.
RM
Do you honestly think Ian Huntley could survive in the open world now? Like heck he could, he may have done wrong but to kill him wouldn't make the rabid idiots of our fair nation any bit more better, morally correct or not. It's daft because even if he paid his debt to society under the eyes of the law, someone would still want him dead and it's stupid to have someone pay with their life as if it meant something beyond murder in the notion it was "doing justice". Because of that and the media's tagline of "paedo on every corner, hide your kids!" anyone even suspected of it is immediately dead anyway and require police protection and a change of identity. Before that case even popped up it was very rare anyone would feel like they'd kill that chap who looked at their kid a bit funny besides the criminally paranoid. Don't see the same vilification for rapists, murders or all-round bad eggs dya?
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I think Ronnie Rowland's comment may have been a satirical remark aimed at Britain's prisons; the implication being that they are more like holiday camps than proper prisons-- rather than a reflection on Huntley's punishment per se.
Nini posted:
Ronnie Rowlands posted:
Nah, let's have some good old fashioned British "justice" and and send them to a 5 star prison with breakfast in bed and all inclusive meals and Xbox. 
Do you honestly think Ian Huntley could survive in the open world now? Like heck he could, he may have done wrong but to kill him wouldn't make the rabid idiots of our fair nation any bit more better, morally correct or not. It's daft because even if he paid his debt to society under the eyes of the law, someone would still want him dead and it's stupid to have someone pay with their life as if it meant something beyond murder in the notion it was "doing justice". Because of that and the media's tagline of "paedo on every corner, hide your kids!" anyone even suspected of it is immediately dead anyway and require police protection and a change of identity. Before that case even popped up it was very rare anyone would feel like they'd kill that chap who looked at their kid a bit funny besides the criminally paranoid. Don't see the same vilification for rapists, murders or all-round bad eggs dya?
I think Ronnie Rowland's comment may have been a satirical remark aimed at Britain's prisons; the implication being that they are more like holiday camps than proper prisons-- rather than a reflection on Huntley's punishment per se.
RM
Alot have made comparisons to the Diana situation - but this I think is something totally different.
Whatever you think of Diana, she was a key public figure who died in a very news-worthy incident - and frankly the nation had it's reaction for a week and then moved on.
It's a completly different situation with Madeline - a complete unknown who means nothing to anyone apart from friends and family, being exploited by the media for reasons which are beyond me.
Again though it's a sign of just how out of touch the press actually are with the public - on various (non-press) forums I've barely seen one comment agreeing with the magnitude of the coverage.
Mourning period for a week with Diana? It was a lot longer than that if recall, at least a month. I'm sure the funeral was far more than a week after her death for a start (I could be wrong)?
Elton's tribute song sold well after a week after her death.
Then there's the countless books that have been written about her since her death. It can be argued it's still going on alongside the whole inquest business. And of course the Daily Express have had a pathological obsession with her for quite sometime now. It's been ten years (almost) since she died!!! Mourning for Diana was definitely a lot longer than a week IMO.
Obviously Diana's death was newsworthy at the time, considering she was a prominent public figure; but I feel you are missing my point slightly though. I wasn't trying to compare Madeleine and Diana as people . My point is the prententious and emotional hysteria from people who don't even know Madeleine, in the same way people didn't know Diana personally.
The public obviously knew of Diana, and basics of her private life and personality... it was the way in 1997 that millions of people exuded OTT grief over someone they didn't properly know, as if she was a close relative or something. Sorry if it sounds crass, but that's my opinion. In 1997 I couldn't get upset of somebody who, in real terms, was a stranger. Hope that makes sense.
This is why I'm drawing comparisons with Madeleine. I think a lot of the British public is wallowing in self-indulgent emotion over a four-year girl that very few have never even met.
I do wish all the best for the McCanns in finding Madeleine, and I hope she is alive somewhere. However: What about all the other hundreds of British children who gone missing? Where's the media circus, yellow ribbons,emails and public hysteria for them?
Brekkie Boy posted:
Roger Mellie posted:
You do have a good point there.
I'm probably not going to make myself popular by saying this, but I think this sort of occurence is a hangover from the whole Diana-mourning period in 1997
I'm probably not going to make myself popular by saying this, but I think this sort of occurence is a hangover from the whole Diana-mourning period in 1997
Alot have made comparisons to the Diana situation - but this I think is something totally different.
Whatever you think of Diana, she was a key public figure who died in a very news-worthy incident - and frankly the nation had it's reaction for a week and then moved on.
It's a completly different situation with Madeline - a complete unknown who means nothing to anyone apart from friends and family, being exploited by the media for reasons which are beyond me.
Again though it's a sign of just how out of touch the press actually are with the public - on various (non-press) forums I've barely seen one comment agreeing with the magnitude of the coverage.
Mourning period for a week with Diana? It was a lot longer than that if recall, at least a month. I'm sure the funeral was far more than a week after her death for a start (I could be wrong)?
Elton's tribute song sold well after a week after her death.
Then there's the countless books that have been written about her since her death. It can be argued it's still going on alongside the whole inquest business. And of course the Daily Express have had a pathological obsession with her for quite sometime now. It's been ten years (almost) since she died!!! Mourning for Diana was definitely a lot longer than a week IMO.
Obviously Diana's death was newsworthy at the time, considering she was a prominent public figure; but I feel you are missing my point slightly though. I wasn't trying to compare Madeleine and Diana as people . My point is the prententious and emotional hysteria from people who don't even know Madeleine, in the same way people didn't know Diana personally.
The public obviously knew of Diana, and basics of her private life and personality... it was the way in 1997 that millions of people exuded OTT grief over someone they didn't properly know, as if she was a close relative or something. Sorry if it sounds crass, but that's my opinion. In 1997 I couldn't get upset of somebody who, in real terms, was a stranger. Hope that makes sense.
This is why I'm drawing comparisons with Madeleine. I think a lot of the British public is wallowing in self-indulgent emotion over a four-year girl that very few have never even met.
I do wish all the best for the McCanns in finding Madeleine, and I hope she is alive somewhere. However: What about all the other hundreds of British children who gone missing? Where's the media circus, yellow ribbons,emails and public hysteria for them?
WI
I'm sure I remember a story somewhere not long ago suggesting (during the prison capacity crisis) that the government had considered converting disused holiday camps into temporary prisons. Presumably the irony was not lost on them so the idea was abandoned.
william
Founding member
Roger Mellie posted:
I think Ronnie Rowland's comment may have been a satirical remark aimed at Britain's prisons; the implication being that they are more like holiday camps than proper prisons-- rather than a reflection on Huntley's punishment per se.
I'm sure I remember a story somewhere not long ago suggesting (during the prison capacity crisis) that the government had considered converting disused holiday camps into temporary prisons. Presumably the irony was not lost on them so the idea was abandoned.
RM
I'm sure I remember a story somewhere not long ago suggesting (during the prison capacity crisis) that the government had considered converting disused holiday camps into temporary prisons. Presumably the irony was not lost on them so the idea was abandoned.
Thanks for that factoid
Of course building more prisons is too simple isn't it 
There was talk of using decommissioned ferries that are rotting at Teesport, and converting them in to floating prisons (a lot harder to escape from ) . I don't know if that's been reconsidered
william posted:
Roger Mellie posted:
I think Ronnie Rowland's comment may have been a satirical remark aimed at Britain's prisons; the implication being that they are more like holiday camps than proper prisons-- rather than a reflection on Huntley's punishment per se.
I'm sure I remember a story somewhere not long ago suggesting (during the prison capacity crisis) that the government had considered converting disused holiday camps into temporary prisons. Presumably the irony was not lost on them so the idea was abandoned.
Thanks for that factoid
Of course building more prisons is too simple isn't it
There was talk of using decommissioned ferries that are rotting at Teesport, and converting them in to floating prisons (a lot harder to escape from
) . I don't know if that's been reconsidered
TG
Afraid so - she died on the Sunday, funeral the Saturday after.
It just felt like far longer...
Roger Mellie posted:
Mourning period for
a week
with Diana? It was a lot longer than that if recall, at least a month. I'm sure the funeral was far more than a week after her death for a start (I could be wrong)?
Afraid so - she died on the Sunday, funeral the Saturday after.
It just felt like far longer...
WI
No, it just felt like that at the time. Death on the morning of Sunday August 31 and the funeral the following Saturday (September 6).
There were a number of (in my opinion) brilliant bits of television over that week - two that come immediately to mind were the way BBC1 segued between Songs of Praise and the landing of the plane carrying the coffin on the Sunday evening (whilst retaining the SoP audio), and that close up of the envelope during the funeral procession.
The point at which it descended into absurdity for me was when there a BBC News bulletin informing us she would be buried on an island in the middle of an ornamental lake, closely followed (or preceded) by the announcement that Elton John would be rewriting the lyrics of Candle in the Wind for the ceremony.
william
Founding member
Roger Mellie posted:
Mourning period for
a week
with Diana? It was a lot longer than that if recall, at least a month. I'm sure the funeral was far more than a week after her death for a start (I could be wrong)? Elton's tribute song sold well after a week after her death.
Elton's tribute song sold well after a week after her death.
No, it just felt like that at the time. Death on the morning of Sunday August 31 and the funeral the following Saturday (September 6).
There were a number of (in my opinion) brilliant bits of television over that week - two that come immediately to mind were the way BBC1 segued between Songs of Praise and the landing of the plane carrying the coffin on the Sunday evening (whilst retaining the SoP audio), and that close up of the envelope during the funeral procession.
The point at which it descended into absurdity for me was when there a BBC News bulletin informing us she would be buried on an island in the middle of an ornamental lake, closely followed (or preceded) by the announcement that Elton John would be rewriting the lyrics of Candle in the Wind for the ceremony.
RR
Do you honestly think Ian Huntley could survive in the open world now? Like heck he could, he may have done wrong but to kill him wouldn't make the rabid idiots of our fair nation any bit more better, morally correct or not. It's daft because even if he paid his debt to society under the eyes of the law, someone would still want him dead and it's stupid to have someone pay with their life as if it meant something beyond murder in the notion it was "doing justice". Because of that and the media's tagline of "paedo on every corner, hide your kids!" anyone even suspected of it is immediately dead anyway and require police protection and a change of identity. Before that case even popped up it was very rare anyone would feel like they'd kill that chap who looked at their kid a bit funny besides the criminally paranoid. Don't see the same vilification for rapists, murders or all-round bad eggs dya?
I think Ronnie Rowland's comment may have been a satirical remark aimed at Britain's prisons; the implication being that they are more like holiday camps than proper prisons-- rather than a reflection on Huntley's punishment per se.[/quote]
Indeed I was, thanks for pointing that out, I was kind of lost for what to say about Nini's reply
Roger Mellie posted:
Nini posted:
Ronnie Rowlands posted:
Nah, let's have some good old fashioned British "justice" and and send them to a 5 star prison with breakfast in bed and all inclusive meals and Xbox.
Do you honestly think Ian Huntley could survive in the open world now? Like heck he could, he may have done wrong but to kill him wouldn't make the rabid idiots of our fair nation any bit more better, morally correct or not. It's daft because even if he paid his debt to society under the eyes of the law, someone would still want him dead and it's stupid to have someone pay with their life as if it meant something beyond murder in the notion it was "doing justice". Because of that and the media's tagline of "paedo on every corner, hide your kids!" anyone even suspected of it is immediately dead anyway and require police protection and a change of identity. Before that case even popped up it was very rare anyone would feel like they'd kill that chap who looked at their kid a bit funny besides the criminally paranoid. Don't see the same vilification for rapists, murders or all-round bad eggs dya?
I think Ronnie Rowland's comment may have been a satirical remark aimed at Britain's prisons; the implication being that they are more like holiday camps than proper prisons-- rather than a reflection on Huntley's punishment per se.[/quote]
Indeed I was, thanks for pointing that out, I was kind of lost for what to say about Nini's reply