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Mouseboy332,100 posts since 10 Feb 2014

Placing local programming at the heart of primetime should, I believe, be a condition of licence.

Well that is the biggest mistake. Local programming isnt strong enough to place in primetime. NEVER! Its always bookend programming. Place "High-viewer ship programming in primetime is always the smartest move. Aint nobody trying to watch a boring magazine show about a fundraiser or a art exhibit. Snooze city. That belongs in periphery programming around the primetime. Sadly there isnt a syndicated tv market for these channels to acquire programming to strip across their primetimes to bring in viewers for their local programming like news and a few well produced magazine programs. So these channels will never turn a profit and never make enough money to create decent local programs or launch a effective news departments. So its a vicious circle unless the channel is smartly programmed.
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Brekkie28,078 posts since 4 Jan 2003
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These channels are not comparable to the US market though and the UK free to air market is quite different with a saturated digital channel market as it is. I agree 100% local is never going to be sustainable but these channels need to have a strong local spine, and IMO that means local content in primetime.

In Londons case there is very little point in having a local channel which doesn't offer any local news after 7pm when the BBC and ITV have the news covered in the 6pm hour anyway. I'd personally like to see a stipulation that all local channels must carry 30 minutes of local news between 7pm and 10pm, and ideally 50% of programming between 6pm and 11pm would be local too. That would still enable local channels to offer more mainstream content from 9-11pm, the time slots when other digital channels tend to compete with the main five channels.
Shouldn't that have been posted in the "John Logie Baird has Invented Television" thread?
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p_c_u_k1,844 posts since 27 Mar 2004
Is that the reason STV keeps on winning all the Local channels in Scotland?

STV probably wins all these licences because it makes the most sense to give it to an existing TV channel with experience of running a broadcasting service, with an existing back catalogue - the two issues that have hampered London Live from the get-go.

Whether the move towards STV2 meets the spirit of these local licences is another thing, but it's at least providing a decent news service to Scotland, and local news throughout the day.
Mouseboy332,100 posts since 10 Feb 2014
These channels are not comparable to the US market

And thats the key reason why they arent making any money.
the UK free to air market is quite different with a saturated digital channel market as it is.

Yeah because the US and Canada doesnt have a super saturated digital channel market. Rolling Eyes

Oh that reminds me...... I think there is 6yr old episode of Jeremy Kyle USA on ITV right now somewhere. Thumbs up [CLICK]
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SuperDave463 posts since 9 Jan 2012
London London
The point I was making about placing local programming at the heart of primetime, is that these local channels occupy a favourable placing on freeview and therefore should have some obligations to go with that.

London Live has applied to reduce its obligations no less than 6 times in the past 2.5 years - the first even before it went on air.

I'm not advocating a fully local schedule, but if London Live and others want to make a commercial and critical success of the Local Television Network, they have to up their game, and offer viewers a point of difference.
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SuperDave463 posts since 9 Jan 2012
London London
When London Live launched, it's licence obligations were to produce 8 hours of first run local programing per day (56 hours per week), 3 of which were to be broadcast in Primetime (6pm - 10.30pm).

Following their last concession from Ofcom, they now have to produce 3.5 hours per weekday and an hour per day at weekends. A total of 19.5 hours per week. One hour must be broadcast during primetime on weekdays only.