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Brekkie Boy posted:
Going away from TV for a minute - can someone explain how the regional lists work in Wales?
In North Wales, Labour got the most votes, but no regional seats. Plaid Cymru were next and got 1 seat, with Conservative next getting 2. Lib Dems were a distant fourth, but still got a seat. Actually it's a pattern repeated across many regions.
I'm assuming that Labour AMs voting in "first past the post" are taken into consideration, hence why none got in via the list.
If that's the case, I think many people will have had a wasted vote as I think the majority will have voted in the same way on both papers - which means the second "list" vote is effectively a wasted vote if your chosen AM got elected.
In North Wales, Labour got the most votes, but no regional seats. Plaid Cymru were next and got 1 seat, with Conservative next getting 2. Lib Dems were a distant fourth, but still got a seat. Actually it's a pattern repeated across many regions.
I'm assuming that Labour AMs voting in "first past the post" are taken into consideration, hence why none got in via the list.
If that's the case, I think many people will have had a wasted vote as I think the majority will have voted in the same way on both papers - which means the second "list" vote is effectively a wasted vote if your chosen AM got elected.
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BR
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Thanks - they did mention that briefly at some point last night. It seems a completly flawed process though! I never get why Labour pushed through PR when they are the ones who seem to suffer most as a result - they'd have comfortably majorities in Scotland and Wales without it.
DVB Cornwall posted:
Brekkie Boy posted:
Going away from TV for a minute - can someone explain how the regional lists work in Wales?
In North Wales, Labour got the most votes, but no regional seats. Plaid Cymru were next and got 1 seat, with Conservative next getting 2. Lib Dems were a distant fourth, but still got a seat. Actually it's a pattern repeated across many regions.
I'm assuming that Labour AMs voting in "first past the post" are taken into consideration, hence why none got in via the list.
If that's the case, I think many people will have had a wasted vote as I think the majority will have voted in the same way on both papers - which means the second "list" vote is effectively a wasted vote if your chosen AM got elected.
In North Wales, Labour got the most votes, but no regional seats. Plaid Cymru were next and got 1 seat, with Conservative next getting 2. Lib Dems were a distant fourth, but still got a seat. Actually it's a pattern repeated across many regions.
I'm assuming that Labour AMs voting in "first past the post" are taken into consideration, hence why none got in via the list.
If that's the case, I think many people will have had a wasted vote as I think the majority will have voted in the same way on both papers - which means the second "list" vote is effectively a wasted vote if your chosen AM got elected.
Are you sitting comfortably?
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D'Hondt method
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Thanks - they did mention that briefly at some point last night. It seems a completly flawed process though! I never get why Labour pushed through PR when they are the ones who seem to suffer most as a result - they'd have comfortably majorities in Scotland and Wales without it.
TV
tvmercia
Founding member
for those who do not read the midlands thread ...
tvmercia posted:
a couple of caps from bbc mids' coverage from last night ...
http://www.gorillaenterprises.co.uk/upload/uploadFiles/election2007a-resized.jpg
http://www.gorillaenterprises.co.uk/upload/uploadFiles/election2007b-resized.jpg
http://www.gorillaenterprises.co.uk/upload/uploadFiles/election2007c-resized.jpg
and midlands breakfast came from the politics show set this morning - so it was the politics show using bbc election graphics, within midlands today within bbc breakfast. who says corporate branding simplifies things for viewers
http://www.gorillaenterprises.co.uk/upload/uploadFiles/election2007d-resized.jpg
http://www.gorillaenterprises.co.uk/upload/uploadFiles/election2007e-resized.jpg
http://www.gorillaenterprises.co.uk/upload/uploadFiles/election2007a-resized.jpg
http://www.gorillaenterprises.co.uk/upload/uploadFiles/election2007b-resized.jpg
http://www.gorillaenterprises.co.uk/upload/uploadFiles/election2007c-resized.jpg
and midlands breakfast came from the politics show set this morning - so it was the politics show using bbc election graphics, within midlands today within bbc breakfast. who says corporate branding simplifies things for viewers
http://www.gorillaenterprises.co.uk/upload/uploadFiles/election2007d-resized.jpg
http://www.gorillaenterprises.co.uk/upload/uploadFiles/election2007e-resized.jpg
AP
Has anyone got a video of the Ming Bling thing? None of my friends believe me when I say what it was. 
DV
Either that or Storyfix, probably both though.
Was HIGNFY recorded tonight this week then?
It's usually recorded on Thursday Evenings
fishyfish posted:
LONDON posted:
jrothwell97 posted:
That's going to end up on
Have I Got News For You
tonight...
Either that or Storyfix, probably both though.
Was HIGNFY recorded tonight this week then?
It's usually recorded on Thursday Evenings
LO
Either that or Storyfix, probably both though.
Was HIGNFY recorded tonight this week then?
It's usually recorded on Thursday Evenings
Although i am aware that Storyfix is recorded on Thursdays, they do quite often insert clips after recording, hence the presence of Bill and Susanna from Friday's Breakfast on quite a few editions.
DVB Cornwall posted:
fishyfish posted:
LONDON posted:
jrothwell97 posted:
That's going to end up on
Have I Got News For You
tonight...
Either that or Storyfix, probably both though.
Was HIGNFY recorded tonight this week then?
It's usually recorded on Thursday Evenings
Although i am aware that Storyfix is recorded on Thursdays, they do quite often insert clips after recording, hence the presence of Bill and Susanna from Friday's Breakfast on quite a few editions.
RE
Basically, it comes down to three things:
1) There are 73 constituencies (mirroring the 72 Westminster constituencies as they were at devolution, with Orkney & Shetland split into two seats). Now, since the SNP were closer on the popular vote, the more you subdivide them (allowing for the fact that you want roughly the same number of voters in each constituency), the closer they'll get to proportionality - i.e., the SNP would do better on the constituencies if there were more & fewer of them. And they didn't want to have a 70-odd member parliament.
2) Labour didn't plan it all themselves, there was a "Consitutional Convention" of Labour, the Lib Dems and various academics and other Eminent Parties, and they went with what that came up with (the SNP & Tories refused to take part, IIRC, because the SNP knew it wouldn't endorse independence, and the Tories because they knew it would endorse devolution).
3) It stuffs the SNP for all time, in theory - they're never likely to get a solo majority, and never likely to get anyone else to agree to an independence referendum as long as Labour, the Lib Dems and the Tories have a combo majority.
Brekkie Boy posted:
Thanks - they did mention that briefly at some point last night. It seems a completly flawed process though! I never get why Labour pushed through PR when they are the ones who seem to suffer most as a result - they'd have comfortably majorities in Scotland and Wales without it.
Basically, it comes down to three things:
1) There are 73 constituencies (mirroring the 72 Westminster constituencies as they were at devolution, with Orkney & Shetland split into two seats). Now, since the SNP were closer on the popular vote, the more you subdivide them (allowing for the fact that you want roughly the same number of voters in each constituency), the closer they'll get to proportionality - i.e., the SNP would do better on the constituencies if there were more & fewer of them. And they didn't want to have a 70-odd member parliament.
2) Labour didn't plan it all themselves, there was a "Consitutional Convention" of Labour, the Lib Dems and various academics and other Eminent Parties, and they went with what that came up with (the SNP & Tories refused to take part, IIRC, because the SNP knew it wouldn't endorse independence, and the Tories because they knew it would endorse devolution).
3) It stuffs the SNP for all time, in theory - they're never likely to get a solo majority, and never likely to get anyone else to agree to an independence referendum as long as Labour, the Lib Dems and the Tories have a combo majority.
TV
Are you sitting comfortably?
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D'Hondt method
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Thanks - they did mention that briefly at some point last night. It seems a completly flawed process though! I never get why Labour pushed through PR when they are the ones who seem to suffer most as a result - they'd have comfortably majorities in Scotland and Wales without it.
I am a pHD Politics student with 15 years evxperience in the field. Don't even get me started on Labour;s ludicrous PR policy.
Brekkie Boy posted:
DVB Cornwall posted:
Brekkie Boy posted:
Going away from TV for a minute - can someone explain how the regional lists work in Wales?
In North Wales, Labour got the most votes, but no regional seats. Plaid Cymru were next and got 1 seat, with Conservative next getting 2. Lib Dems were a distant fourth, but still got a seat. Actually it's a pattern repeated across many regions.
I'm assuming that Labour AMs voting in "first past the post" are taken into consideration, hence why none got in via the list.
If that's the case, I think many people will have had a wasted vote as I think the majority will have voted in the same way on both papers - which means the second "list" vote is effectively a wasted vote if your chosen AM got elected.
In North Wales, Labour got the most votes, but no regional seats. Plaid Cymru were next and got 1 seat, with Conservative next getting 2. Lib Dems were a distant fourth, but still got a seat. Actually it's a pattern repeated across many regions.
I'm assuming that Labour AMs voting in "first past the post" are taken into consideration, hence why none got in via the list.
If that's the case, I think many people will have had a wasted vote as I think the majority will have voted in the same way on both papers - which means the second "list" vote is effectively a wasted vote if your chosen AM got elected.
Are you sitting comfortably?
Then Begin studying the ...
D'Hondt method
Good luck.
Thanks - they did mention that briefly at some point last night. It seems a completly flawed process though! I never get why Labour pushed through PR when they are the ones who seem to suffer most as a result - they'd have comfortably majorities in Scotland and Wales without it.
I am a pHD Politics student with 15 years evxperience in the field. Don't even get me started on Labour;s ludicrous PR policy.
JV
James Vertigan
Founding member
I Sky+ed the BBC1 South West election coverage whilst watching BBC1 London's last night, and having a look at the opt outs it seems they used the normal "BBC Spotlight" astons until the last opt out at which point they reverted to "BBC SOUTH WEST" ones!