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Local Elections 2006 - TV specials

Thursday 4 May (April 2006)

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denton
noggin posted:
Well BBC London opted out of Network on DSat, DTT and analogue again today, when The Politics Show came from Birmingham. Net 1 carried the Birmingham (not London) Politics Show opt, but BBC One London on DSat had an opt-out for London.

I suspect this means that BBC One London is actually derived after the BBC London opt-switch (which is seldom used these days?) and is the same as the DTT London feed.


If it is the case, that BBC 1 London can trigger its own opt on DSAT now, it would be great if, during the Headline Opts on the 1, 6 and 10 o'clock News, N6 did not cut to MHS (leaving MHS to do the opt themselves). Instead N6 could provide a music rumble and 10 or 15 secs of early vision on the titles. It would make the opts for the Nations and Regions much cleaner and easier to perform.
TV
tvmercia Founding member
denton posted:
noggin posted:
Well BBC London opted out of Network on DSat, DTT and analogue again today, when The Politics Show came from Birmingham. Net 1 carried the Birmingham (not London) Politics Show opt, but BBC One London on DSat had an opt-out for London.

I suspect this means that BBC One London is actually derived after the BBC London opt-switch (which is seldom used these days?) and is the same as the DTT London feed.


If it is the case, that BBC 1 London can trigger its own opt on DSAT now, it would be great if, during the Headline Opts on the 1, 6 and 10 o'clock News, N6 did not cut to MHS (leaving MHS to do the opt themselves). Instead N6 could provide a music rumble and 10 or 15 secs of early vision on the titles. It would make the opts for the Nations and Regions much cleaner and easier to perform.


yes, although the argument against that is that its nicer for regions that can't opt to let LDN go out rather than a blank screen. although i would have thought that it would be preferable to have a nice clean audio opt in and out everyday even if viewers would have to put up with slowly rotating ribbons or something and a headline bed on those rare occasions when a region can't opt.
NG
noggin Founding member
denton posted:
noggin posted:
Well BBC London opted out of Network on DSat, DTT and analogue again today, when The Politics Show came from Birmingham. Net 1 carried the Birmingham (not London) Politics Show opt, but BBC One London on DSat had an opt-out for London.

I suspect this means that BBC One London is actually derived after the BBC London opt-switch (which is seldom used these days?) and is the same as the DTT London feed.


If it is the case, that BBC 1 London can trigger its own opt on DSAT now, it would be great if, during the Headline Opts on the 1, 6 and 10 o'clock News, N6 did not cut to MHS (leaving MHS to do the opt themselves). Instead N6 could provide a music rumble and 10 or 15 secs of early vision on the titles. It would make the opts for the Nations and Regions much cleaner and easier to perform.


Except that with the various digital and analogue delays introduced in most regional centres you'd still get a nasty jump in the bed unfortunately - AND you'd end up with a graphic (I'm assuming) and just a music bed on the network SUSTAINING feed. (It is still a sustaining feed - not a distribution feed)
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denton
noggin posted:
denton posted:
noggin posted:
Well BBC London opted out of Network on DSat, DTT and analogue again today, when The Politics Show came from Birmingham. Net 1 carried the Birmingham (not London) Politics Show opt, but BBC One London on DSat had an opt-out for London.

I suspect this means that BBC One London is actually derived after the BBC London opt-switch (which is seldom used these days?) and is the same as the DTT London feed.


If it is the case, that BBC 1 London can trigger its own opt on DSAT now, it would be great if, during the Headline Opts on the 1, 6 and 10 o'clock News, N6 did not cut to MHS (leaving MHS to do the opt themselves). Instead N6 could provide a music rumble and 10 or 15 secs of early vision on the titles. It would make the opts for the Nations and Regions much cleaner and easier to perform.


Except that with the various digital and analogue delays introduced in most regional centres you'd still get a nasty jump in the bed unfortunately - AND you'd end up with a graphic (I'm assuming) and just a music bed on the network SUSTAINING feed. (It is still a sustaining feed - not a distribution feed)


So, if a clean music bed was provided, it would sound as bad as it already does in some regions anyway... but could end up sounding better than it does currently in many others.

I do realise that network provide a sustaining feed, rather than a distribution feed, and would not advocate removing the BBC LONDON NEWS programme itself from that (as 20 odd minutes of a holding slide would not be acceptable if a region failed to opt)...

However, if a Nation or Region could not opt for the short 15 second, or so, headline opt (a reasonably rare occurrence anyway)... sustaining with early vision of the titles would be no worse than sustaining with BBC LONDON NEWS. In fact I fail to see how receiving 15 seconds of irrelevant headlines from a region you don't live in is better than a holding graphic and music.

If a clean music bed and early vision on titles was provided during the headline opts it would mean less risk of the opts up and down the land looking messy (which they frequently do).
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Steve in Pudsey
noggin posted:
Except that with the various digital and analogue delays introduced in most regional centres you'd still get a nasty jump in the bed unfortunately

There are ways and means to overcome that though surely? Opt out of the symbol and anno as usual, but cut to network on a different channel on the mixer (as is done to let them overlay astons for CIN etc) so it doesn't opt digital back, and leave the network audio faded up when you cut to a camera for the regional bit.

Or would that screw up subtitles for the network headlines?
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Westy2
I was wondering how the Politics Show yesterday came about.

I must admit it had crossed my mind whether they had to use a OB vehicle somehow to provide the 'network' bits, while BBC West Mids did their own thing as usual, or using more than one control desk at Birmingham.(One running the West Mids service & one running the network show!)

Was any of the West Mids regional opt recorded yesterday, as Sopel & Goldberg were using the same studio, but Goldie topped & tailed the opt from the Midlands Today newsroom, then while a report was playing, 'moved' to & from his regular studio, which was vacated by Sopel.(They were very quick changing the guests round too !)

How come the Midlands Today studio wasn't used for either show, as all they had to do was change the screens to read 'Politics Show' instead of 'Midlands Today', or is there too much red in the MT studio for this to work properly?
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Psythor
It looks like Jeremy Vine's evolution thing with the Tories wasn't a new idea during the election election coverage... Election Night Armistice (which my, cough, corrupt uncle, cough, found an old tape of, cough, cough), did a similar thing with Blair back in 1997:

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jamesmd
Westy2 posted:
I was wondering how the Politics Show yesterday came about.

I must admit it had crossed my mind whether they had to use a OB vehicle somehow to provide the 'network' bits, while BBC West Mids did their own thing as usual, or using more than one control desk at Birmingham.(One running the West Mids service & one running the network show!)

Was any of the West Mids regional opt recorded yesterday, as Sopel & Goldberg were using the same studio, but Goldie topped & tailed the opt from the Midlands Today newsroom, then while a report was playing, 'moved' to & from his regular studio, which was vacated by Sopel.(They were very quick changing the guests round too !)

How come the Midlands Today studio wasn't used for either show, as all they had to do was change the screens to read 'Politics Show' instead of 'Midlands Today', or is there too much red in the MT studio for this to work properly?


I think it's to deliberately make it look like it's only temporary - and the canalside's a better backdrop than the MT newsroom for Politics Show.

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