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DO
dosxuk
Rkolsen posted:
noggin posted:


I guess if you go for massive automation, having manual switcher control without graphics, video replay, camera control etc. may mean you still don't have a show?


Automation just ties those systems together and controls it. If all the existing systems were up and running you still could do a lot manually. It would be difficult but you could still make it work.


Depends on your workflow, training and staffing. It could be very easy these days to end up being unable to put a programme out if the automation packs in and you've not got the time and experience to be able to work around it.
CI
cityprod
Steve in Pudsey posted:
Which would probably triple the cost.

There is probably a good reason why BBC Millbank and BBC Midlands use exactly the same technique in their sets.


Far from it, it wouldn't triple the cost, it wouldn't be that much different, and it would look 100% better. I think this is a stylistic decision, rather than cost related. Think about the Millbank studio where the regional political programmes are done monthly. That uses a similar style of screens going across like the new regional sets do.

That's why I think it's a stylistic decision, not a cost one.
TW
tweedledum
cityprod posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
Which would probably triple the cost.

There is probably a good reason why BBC Millbank and BBC Midlands use exactly the same technique in their sets.


Far from it, it wouldn't triple the cost, it wouldn't be that much different, and it would look 100% better. I think this is a stylistic decision, rather than cost related. Think about the Millbank studio where the regional political programmes are done monthly. That uses a similar style of screens going across like the new regional sets do.

That's why I think it's a stylistic decision, not a cost one.

The screens in the political set aren't intended as a window though. It is simply a screen with the logo on.
DO
dosxuk
cityprod posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
Which would probably triple the cost.

There is probably a good reason why BBC Millbank and BBC Midlands use exactly the same technique in their sets.


Far from it, it wouldn't triple the cost, it wouldn't be that much different, and it would look 100% better.


Have you looked at how quickly prices ramp up on screens as you get to the bigger sizes? I think to fill the gaps where the black panels are currently, a tripling of cost is quite a conservative estimate.
CI
cityprod
dosxuk posted:
cityprod posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
Which would probably triple the cost.

There is probably a good reason why BBC Millbank and BBC Midlands use exactly the same technique in their sets.


Far from it, it wouldn't triple the cost, it wouldn't be that much different, and it would look 100% better.


Have you looked at how quickly prices ramp up on screens as you get to the bigger sizes? I think to fill the gaps where the black panels are currently, a tripling of cost is quite a conservative estimate.


You forget that the black panels also cost a fair amount in themselves, plus you're working from the prices of consumer grade screens, which these are not. These kind of broadcast grade monitors are way more expensive than equivalent consumer grade screens. And even though the cost goes up as the screen gets bigger, the increase in percentage is far less than the equivalent increase in consumer grade prices.

A consumer grade screen wouldn't look anywhere near as good on screen as these broadcast monitors do.

In fact, the difference between the correct size screens that would eliminate the need for those black panels, and the current set up, is minimal. About an extra 2% on the price, it's really small in those terms.

If they wanted it to look like a window, then they should have used the proper sized screens in portrait, rather than the look they've chosen.
BA
bilky asko
cityprod posted:
dosxuk posted:
cityprod posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
Which would probably triple the cost.

There is probably a good reason why BBC Millbank and BBC Midlands use exactly the same technique in their sets.


Far from it, it wouldn't triple the cost, it wouldn't be that much different, and it would look 100% better.


Have you looked at how quickly prices ramp up on screens as you get to the bigger sizes? I think to fill the gaps where the black panels are currently, a tripling of cost is quite a conservative estimate.


You forget that the black panels also cost a fair amount in themselves, plus you're working from the prices of consumer grade screens, which these are not. These kind of broadcast grade monitors are way more expensive than equivalent consumer grade screens. And even though the cost goes up as the screen gets bigger, the increase in percentage is far less than the equivalent increase in consumer grade prices.

A consumer grade screen wouldn't look anywhere near as good on screen as these broadcast monitors do.

In fact, the difference between the correct size screens that would eliminate the need for those black panels, and the current set up, is minimal. About an extra 2% on the price, it's really small in those terms.

If they wanted it to look like a window, then they should have used the proper sized screens in portrait, rather than the look they've chosen.


You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Black acrylic sheets are in no way comparable in cost to a huge increase in screen size.

In any case, I'd take the word of the person in the industry over the community radio presenter any day of the week.
London Lite, dbl and Inspector Sands gave kudos
CI
cityprod
bilky asko posted:
cityprod posted:
dosxuk posted:
cityprod posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
Which would probably triple the cost.

There is probably a good reason why BBC Millbank and BBC Midlands use exactly the same technique in their sets.


Far from it, it wouldn't triple the cost, it wouldn't be that much different, and it would look 100% better.


Have you looked at how quickly prices ramp up on screens as you get to the bigger sizes? I think to fill the gaps where the black panels are currently, a tripling of cost is quite a conservative estimate.


You forget that the black panels also cost a fair amount in themselves, plus you're working from the prices of consumer grade screens, which these are not. These kind of broadcast grade monitors are way more expensive than equivalent consumer grade screens. And even though the cost goes up as the screen gets bigger, the increase in percentage is far less than the equivalent increase in consumer grade prices.

A consumer grade screen wouldn't look anywhere near as good on screen as these broadcast monitors do.

In fact, the difference between the correct size screens that would eliminate the need for those black panels, and the current set up, is minimal. About an extra 2% on the price, it's really small in those terms.

If they wanted it to look like a window, then they should have used the proper sized screens in portrait, rather than the look they've chosen.


You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Black acrylic sheets are in no way comparable in cost to a huge increase in screen size.

In any case, I'd take the word of the person in the industry over the community radio presenter any day of the week.


It doesn't look anything like black acrylic sheeting. Looks more like several layers of tinted perspex.
IS
Inspector Sands
cityprod posted:
It doesn't look anything like black acrylic sheeting. Looks more like several layers of tinted perspex.

Still going to be cheaper than covering that area in a display screen though
London Lite, Steve in Pudsey and dosxuk gave kudos
SP
Steve in Pudsey
cityprod posted:
dosxuk posted:
cityprod posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
Which would probably triple the cost.

There is probably a good reason why BBC Millbank and BBC Midlands use exactly the same technique in their sets.


Far from it, it wouldn't triple the cost, it wouldn't be that much different, and it would look 100% better.


Have you looked at how quickly prices ramp up on screens as you get to the bigger sizes? I think to fill the gaps where the black panels are currently, a tripling of cost is quite a conservative estimate.


You forget that the black panels also cost a fair amount in themselves, plus you're working from the prices of consumer grade screens, which these are not. These kind of broadcast grade monitors are way more expensive than equivalent consumer grade screens. And even though the cost goes up as the screen gets bigger, the increase in percentage is far less than the equivalent increase in consumer grade prices.

A consumer grade screen wouldn't look anywhere near as good on screen as these broadcast monitors do.

In fact, the difference between the correct size screens that would eliminate the need for those black panels, and the current set up, is minimal. About an extra 2% on the price, it's really small in those terms.

If they wanted it to look like a window, then they should have used the proper sized screens in portrait, rather than the look they've chosen.


Go on then, I'll bite. What are the prices for professional 40" and a 70" screens from the same manufacturer and ideally the same product range.

For what it's worth, consumer grade kit from Argos looks like it's nearer to 10x more for a 70" TV than the equivalent 40", although in fairness there aren't many 70" sets to choose from.

(40" diagonal is 19x34", 70" is 34"x61" - give or take a little rounding - so that's the kind of size increase you'll need if you want to put them portrait)
BA
bilky asko
cityprod posted:
bilky asko posted:
cityprod posted:
dosxuk posted:
cityprod posted:
Steve in Pudsey posted:
Which would probably triple the cost.

There is probably a good reason why BBC Millbank and BBC Midlands use exactly the same technique in their sets.


Far from it, it wouldn't triple the cost, it wouldn't be that much different, and it would look 100% better.


Have you looked at how quickly prices ramp up on screens as you get to the bigger sizes? I think to fill the gaps where the black panels are currently, a tripling of cost is quite a conservative estimate.


You forget that the black panels also cost a fair amount in themselves, plus you're working from the prices of consumer grade screens, which these are not. These kind of broadcast grade monitors are way more expensive than equivalent consumer grade screens. And even though the cost goes up as the screen gets bigger, the increase in percentage is far less than the equivalent increase in consumer grade prices.

A consumer grade screen wouldn't look anywhere near as good on screen as these broadcast monitors do.

In fact, the difference between the correct size screens that would eliminate the need for those black panels, and the current set up, is minimal. About an extra 2% on the price, it's really small in those terms.

If they wanted it to look like a window, then they should have used the proper sized screens in portrait, rather than the look they've chosen.


You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Black acrylic sheets are in no way comparable in cost to a huge increase in screen size.

In any case, I'd take the word of the person in the industry over the community radio presenter any day of the week.


It doesn't look anything like black acrylic sheeting. Looks more like several layers of tinted perspex.


Perspex is branded acrylic.
CI
cityprod
Steve in Pudsey posted:

Go on then, I'll bite. What are the prices for professional 40" and a 70" screens from the same manufacturer and ideally the same product range.

For what it's worth, consumer grade kit from Argos looks like it's nearer to 10x more for a 70" TV than the equivalent 40", although in fairness there aren't many 70" sets to choose from.

(40" diagonal is 19x34", 70" is 34"x61" - give or take a little rounding - so that's the kind of size increase you'll need if you want to put them portrait)


Dependent on the brand, a 40 inch monitor can be between £2,000 & £5,000 new, where as a 70 inch can be between £5,000 & £10,000 new.
SP
Steve in Pudsey
So, that 2% difference in price you mentioned...
Last edited by Steve in Pudsey on 9 June 2015 10:44pm

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