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Brand realignment onwards (October 2009)

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OR
Oily Rag
And Brekkie, I do think the extra space to the right is there, it looks as though the desk is now in the corner rather than the middle.

Laughing It's a VIRTUAL set. How on earth would you know 'where' the desk is and how much room there is?
TV
TV Geek
And Brekkie, I do think the extra space to the right is there, it looks as though the desk is now in the corner rather than the middle.

Laughing It's a VIRTUAL set. How on earth would you know 'where' the desk is and how much room there is?


Well cameras can't go through walls and the wider shots (especially the moving ones) suggest its in the corner
OR
Oily Rag
And Brekkie, I do think the extra space to the right is there, it looks as though the desk is now in the corner rather than the middle.

Laughing It's a VIRTUAL set. How on earth would you know 'where' the desk is and how much room there is?

Well cameras can't go through walls and the wider shots (especially the moving ones) suggest its in the corner

I'm afraid you've demonstrated that you don't fully understand how virtual studios work. They can appear much bigger than their physical size. You think ITV needed to build a studio the size of central London to fit the old skyline set in?
TV
TV Geek
And Brekkie, I do think the extra space to the right is there, it looks as though the desk is now in the corner rather than the middle.

Laughing It's a VIRTUAL set. How on earth would you know 'where' the desk is and how much room there is?

Well cameras can't go through walls and the wider shots (especially the moving ones) suggest its in the corner

I'm afraid you've demonstrated that you don't fully understand how virtual studios work. They can appear much bigger than their physical size. You think ITV needed to build a studio the size of central London to fit the old skyline set in?


No, you've just completely got the wrong end of the stick. If you look at the old closing, the camera used to go up when it physically couldn't go much further back. The floor space between the camera and the desk was a lot smaller than it is now.
TM
Telly Media
And Brekkie, I do think the extra space to the right is there, it looks as though the desk is now in the corner rather than the middle.

Laughing It's a VIRTUAL set. How on earth would you know 'where' the desk is and how much room there is?

Well cameras can't go through walls and the wider shots (especially the moving ones) suggest its in the corner

I'm afraid you've demonstrated that you don't fully understand how virtual studios work. They can appear much bigger than their physical size. You think ITV needed to build a studio the size of central London to fit the old skyline set in?


Erm ... that was a PICTURE of the London skyline. You don't honestly think it was to scale do you ??
OR
Oily Rag
And Brekkie, I do think the extra space to the right is there, it looks as though the desk is now in the corner rather than the middle.

Laughing It's a VIRTUAL set. How on earth would you know 'where' the desk is and how much room there is?

Well cameras can't go through walls and the wider shots (especially the moving ones) suggest its in the corner

I'm afraid you've demonstrated that you don't fully understand how virtual studios work. They can appear much bigger than their physical size. You think ITV needed to build a studio the size of central London to fit the old skyline set in?

No, you've just completely got the wrong end of the stick. If you look at the old closing, the camera used to go up when it physically couldn't go much further back. The floor space between the camera and the desk was a lot smaller than it is now.

That may or may not be true, but the point I'm making is that since everything in the studio is green apart from the desk, the dimensions of the studio (and even its layout) as they appear on television do not necessarily bear any resemblance to the physical dimensions of the studio. So it's difficult to say looking at the off-air picture exactly what the arrangement of the set is.
NG
noggin Founding member
Yes - it is entirely possible for the shot to be made wider than the camera is shooting by adding virtual edges and shrinking the real camera shot within it. As the VR system knows where the camera is at all times, it can track the extra bits (that make the shot look wider) in sync with camera moves.

In reality the only bit of the shot that needs to be from a real camera is the bit with real things (I.e. people and desk) in.

That is also part of the problem with VR sets - people end up creating aircraft hangars full of virtual elements and tiny people because they think they look impressive.
OR
Oily Rag
And Brekkie, I do think the extra space to the right is there, it looks as though the desk is now in the corner rather than the middle.

Laughing It's a VIRTUAL set. How on earth would you know 'where' the desk is and how much room there is?

Well cameras can't go through walls and the wider shots (especially the moving ones) suggest its in the corner

I'm afraid you've demonstrated that you don't fully understand how virtual studios work. They can appear much bigger than their physical size. You think ITV needed to build a studio the size of central London to fit the old skyline set in?

Erm ... that was a PICTURE of the London skyline. You don't honestly think it was to scale do you ??

You're only making my point for me! I know it was an image and I know it wasn't to scale, but it did have the correct depth as if it was the correct size. In other words, the virtual 'back wall' of the set was far behind the physical back wall of the studio - several miles back, in fact. This is why you can't make a judgement about the physical nature of the studio from looking at the transmitted picture.
ST
Stuart
Surely the only reason the desk was in the middle of the studio before this latest revamp was to accommodate the original 'theatre of news' concept which had considerably more real elements within it. There was little point in moving the desk later on because the skyline set still had the same basic design, albeit with with more VR.

As this new VR set was an entirely new concept, surely the most sensible place to put the desk would be in the corner of the studio. That allows for the camera angles they show on screen without the need to start shrinking down the live image when the camera finds itself jammed up against the back wall.

There's no point in making life unnecessarily difficult for themselves. If the VR set has the desk in the corner, then why not put it there in the actual studio.
TR
trivialmatters
As this new VR set was an entirely new concept, surely the most sensible place to put the desk would be in the corner of the studio. That allows for the camera angles they show on screen without the need to start shrinking down the live image when the camera finds itself jammed up against the back wall.


Judging by the panning effects the camera does, I would imagine the desk is still in the middle of the room, and any zooming or shots which reveal a bigger set to the right of the desk are simply added on in the virtual reality set.

We're splitting hairs here anyway, it still looks dreadful.
SK
skyfan
The desk is still towards the middle. With the close up jib shots, the background looks further away, so I think in the other shots, its does look like its right in the corner, because the scale of the VR set.

The end shot just now on with Nina Hussain, looks terrible, bad picture quality and blurred. Why ITV cannot use remote cameras I don't know.
NI
Nicky
The end shot just now on with Nina Hussain, looks terrible, bad picture quality and blurred. Why ITV cannot use remote cameras I don't know.


I've always wondered why studio wide shots in news summaries or programmes that don't have the jib are very blurred and poor quality. That slow zooming in or out doesn't help. Does anyone know why this is?

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