BR
More pundits yes, but I don't think the location was a factor at all. A studio is a studio after all - and quite frankly the BBC's studio looked awful.
noggin posted:
I suspect whether it was on ITV or Channel Four - if it had been presented from the US rather than London it would have done better. If it had had more US pundits and experts, and more Republican and Democratic representatives from the campaigns it would have done better.
More pundits yes, but I don't think the location was a factor at all. A studio is a studio after all - and quite frankly the BBC's studio looked awful.
JW
I wonder if she is the daughter of former BBC correspondent, Jim Biddulph. I think he was former Oz correspondent, long, long, long before the days of Pesch!
Macalolo posted:
Nice to see Sally Biddulph on this mornings ITV News Summary
I wonder if she is the daughter of former BBC correspondent, Jim Biddulph. I think he was former Oz correspondent, long, long, long before the days of Pesch!
AB
I think the BBC Studio looked a lot better than ITV's (ITV's graphics were far superior to BBC's though).
http://www.ashfish.net/itvelection.jpg
The way the floor is black just makes the desk look like it's floating in mid-air, the colour of the desk and platform don't really match the rest of the set and the cheap looking 'glass' inset bit. I don't think the red outline to the platform helps, or rather it helps emphasise the fact that it's not actually there.
I won't go on about the way the 'reflection' doesn't line up, that's something you'd only really notice if you were over analysing things *ahem*.
ashley b
Founding member
Brekkie posted:
A studio is a studio after all - and quite frankly the BBC's studio looked awful.
I think the BBC Studio looked a lot better than ITV's (ITV's graphics were far superior to BBC's though).
http://www.ashfish.net/itvelection.jpg
The way the floor is black just makes the desk look like it's floating in mid-air, the colour of the desk and platform don't really match the rest of the set and the cheap looking 'glass' inset bit. I don't think the red outline to the platform helps, or rather it helps emphasise the fact that it's not actually there.
I won't go on about the way the 'reflection' doesn't line up, that's something you'd only really notice if you were over analysing things *ahem*.
BR
LOL - thanks for the image though, IMO that proves my point, just as in yours it proves your point. But hey, if a crowded red desk in front of a bay window is your thing, then so be it!
I think the general consensus from both fans and critics is the desk and platform lets the whole thing down - and I think it's time it was replaced.
However I think the election set shows potential for how they could revamp the rest of the ITV News output by making better use of the studio - basically replace the Whitehouse on the LHS with a view of the newsroom and then use the RHS as the "screen". As said then add a news desk, and then as the platform I'd have a clock face as ITV used to use in their CSO reports from the second studio.
News at Ten should keep it's own look, but be the inspiration for revamping the other bulletins by using the graphical elements of it (such as the stings) as the starting point for the revamp.
ashley b posted:
I won't go on about the way the 'reflection' doesn't line up, that's something you'd only really notice if you were over analysing things *ahem*.
LOL - thanks for the image though, IMO that proves my point, just as in yours it proves your point. But hey, if a crowded red desk in front of a bay window is your thing, then so be it!
I think the general consensus from both fans and critics is the desk and platform lets the whole thing down - and I think it's time it was replaced.
However I think the election set shows potential for how they could revamp the rest of the ITV News output by making better use of the studio - basically replace the Whitehouse on the LHS with a view of the newsroom and then use the RHS as the "screen". As said then add a news desk, and then as the platform I'd have a clock face as ITV used to use in their CSO reports from the second studio.
News at Ten should keep it's own look, but be the inspiration for revamping the other bulletins by using the graphical elements of it (such as the stings) as the starting point for the revamp.
TO
If ITV ditched the virtual floor/walk way and replaced the grey bit at the bottom of the graphics wall with the News at Ten one then that would IMO already be a massive improvement. The presenters could still stand up in the same spot if they want them to that badly, a walkway isn't necessary!
I think they need to get rid of the atrium. They've had it for years and it looks dated now. When that studio first came into use it looked a lot better with the look it had then so its not as though they have to have a 'real life' backdrop.
I think ITV1 elements should be stripped out such as the yellow box which goes next to graphics.
The platform the desk sits on looks a bit out of place as well, it might look better if it was a white light box like the desk itself.
And as for the astons, they're a bit simple atm. They could be a lot better, News at Ten have good ones, use them as inspiration.
I think its more tweaking than a complete overhaul that needs to happen. The News at Ten and US Election sets both show what they are capable of so why not use the set to their advantage? Not a lot of programmes have the opportunity ITV News do, I'm sure most would seize it if they did.
I think they need to get rid of the atrium. They've had it for years and it looks dated now. When that studio first came into use it looked a lot better with the look it had then so its not as though they have to have a 'real life' backdrop.
I think ITV1 elements should be stripped out such as the yellow box which goes next to graphics.
The platform the desk sits on looks a bit out of place as well, it might look better if it was a white light box like the desk itself.
And as for the astons, they're a bit simple atm. They could be a lot better, News at Ten have good ones, use them as inspiration.
I think its more tweaking than a complete overhaul that needs to happen. The News at Ten and US Election sets both show what they are capable of so why not use the set to their advantage? Not a lot of programmes have the opportunity ITV News do, I'm sure most would seize it if they did.
NG
noggin
Founding member
Hmm - isn't it about time that ITV/ITN ditched the virtual chroma-key studio concept. However many times they re-design it - it is still false, cold and alienating. It is technically very impressive - keyed reflections in the desk are very neat - but ultimately it doesn't actually work that well at engaging an audience it seems. (And you have to make sure none of your studio guests or presenters wear green - and can't have any bits of your set that are too shiny!)
AN
It still looks better on screen compared with the BBC's 'real' alternative. The average viewer at home probably thinks the BBC News set is just a square version of the ITV News set using the same technology
Andrew
Founding member
noggin posted:
Hmm - isn't it about time that ITV/ITN ditched the virtual chroma-key studio concept. However many times they re-design it - it is still false, cold and alienating. It is technically very impressive - keyed reflections in the desk are very neat - but ultimately it doesn't actually work that well at engaging an audience it seems. (And you have to make sure none of your studio guests or presenters wear green - and can't have any bits of your set that are too shiny!)
It still looks better on screen compared with the BBC's 'real' alternative. The average viewer at home probably thinks the BBC News set is just a square version of the ITV News set using the same technology
GM
It still looks better on screen compared with the BBC's 'real' alternative. The average viewer at home probably thinks the BBC News set is just a square version of the ITV News set using the same technology
I don't really think the "average" viewer cares about the set that much to wonder if it is fake or real.
Andrew posted:
noggin posted:
Hmm - isn't it about time that ITV/ITN ditched the virtual chroma-key studio concept. However many times they re-design it - it is still false, cold and alienating. It is technically very impressive - keyed reflections in the desk are very neat - but ultimately it doesn't actually work that well at engaging an audience it seems. (And you have to make sure none of your studio guests or presenters wear green - and can't have any bits of your set that are too shiny!)
It still looks better on screen compared with the BBC's 'real' alternative. The average viewer at home probably thinks the BBC News set is just a square version of the ITV News set using the same technology
I don't really think the "average" viewer cares about the set that much to wonder if it is fake or real.