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Widescreen - Sat 1st Dec (December 2005)

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Tom0
Luke posted:
noggin posted:
Won't delivering another 0.5-1 million viewers at 10pm be of benefit? If the ratings carry on as they are ITV will have lost viewers at 10pm not gained them by re-introducing News at Ten? Shunting the late news back to 2230 would allow ITV to schedule something that performs better against the Ten O'Clock News on BBC One?


not really when you consider they would have to spend money on commissioning a load of new formats for 10pm (including the 90minute drama they abandoned this year). I've always thought having News at Ten there is actually more cost effective, and weren't there political reasons for bringing it back as well?


How about broadcasting whatever is billed for 10.35pm at 10pm, with the news at 11pm?
NG
noggin Founding member
Benjamin F. Shatliff posted:
I like News At Ten and I watch it each night.

If ITV drop it again, it wil be bad for them.

Why not go back to the old format with :-

News At One
Early Evening News
News At Ten

All with their own identity and own set.


Unless the sets are virtual - not a chance. The costs of re-setting and re-lighting mean that is never going to happen in the current budgetary climate.
NG
noggin Founding member
Tricky cost benefit analysis to be done.

1. The cost of commissioning new content to fill the 2200-2230 slot - whether this is 2100-2230 drama or separate shows - if they deliver higher ratings, and thus greater ad revenue, than News at Ten then that is offset against the extra cost over and above that of providing News at Ten.

2. The benefit of "loss leading" News at 2200. Scheduling a prime time high quality news service - and ignoring audience levels - signals a commitment to public service. This could be a fig leaf that covers the abandonment or dilution of regional, kids, religious etc. PSB requirements?

Not a simple decision...
SN
SN2005
May i just direct everybody to Greg Dyke's interview with Jeff Randall last week(?). He used News at Ten as a symbol of ITV1's committment to hard journalism. Surely that tell's you all you need to know.
LO
Londoner
Greg Dyke? You mean Michael Grade.
CI
cityprod
noggin posted:
Benjamin F. Shatliff posted:
I like News At Ten and I watch it each night.

If ITV drop it again, it wil be bad for them.

Why not go back to the old format with :-

News At One
Early Evening News
News At Ten

All with their own identity and own set.


Unless the sets are virtual - not a chance. The costs of re-setting and re-lighting mean that is never going to happen in the current budgetary climate.


But the current sets are virtual. Only the desk, chairs and presenters are real in those sets. So, it is perfectly feaseable for them to create a different look for each bulletin. I know that some local news operations in the US have different virtual looks for each of their bulletins, so if a local news operation in the US can do it, so can ITN.
TO
Tom0
noggin posted:
Tricky cost benefit analysis to be done.

1. The cost of commissioning new content to fill the 2200-2230 slot - whether this is 2100-2230 drama or separate shows - if they deliver higher ratings, and thus greater ad revenue, than News at Ten then that is offset against the extra cost over and above that of providing News at Ten.

2. The benefit of "loss leading" News at 2200. Scheduling a prime time high quality news service - and ignoring audience levels - signals a commitment to public service. This could be a fig leaf that covers the abandonment or dilution of regional, kids, religious etc. PSB requirements?

Not a simple decision...


As I've already said, they could use the hour long shows that go out at 10.35pm at 10pm with the news on at 11pm.
JE
Jez Founding member
Tom0 posted:
noggin posted:
Tricky cost benefit analysis to be done.

1. The cost of commissioning new content to fill the 2200-2230 slot - whether this is 2100-2230 drama or separate shows - if they deliver higher ratings, and thus greater ad revenue, than News at Ten then that is offset against the extra cost over and above that of providing News at Ten.

2. The benefit of "loss leading" News at 2200. Scheduling a prime time high quality news service - and ignoring audience levels - signals a commitment to public service. This could be a fig leaf that covers the abandonment or dilution of regional, kids, religious etc. PSB requirements?

Not a simple decision...


As I've already said, they could use the hour long shows that go out at 10.35pm at 10pm with the news on at 11pm.


A lot of which are repeats of the 9pm dramas like The Fixer, MW/EB etc.
PR
Primetime
I noticed when Nina made use of the virtual studio, it had the old studio design: http://tvnewsroom.co.uk/images/newsevents/08/budget-2008/itvnews/ITV%20News%20Budget%202008%20Coverage%2042.jpg
When it was used for the budget coverage:
http://tvnewsroom.co.uk/images/newsevents/08/budget-2008/itvnews/ITV%20News%20Budget%202008%20Coverage%2043.jpg
This is how the current studio looks since NaT:
http://tvnewsroom.co.uk/images/newsevents/08/budget-2008/itvnews/ITV%20News%20Budget%202008%20Coverage%2004.jpg
The walkway is higher on the photo of Nina in the virtual studio, but is lower in the normal ITV News studio, where Alastair & Katie are. They could keep it consistent! Laughing
Photos: TV Newsroom
BR
Brekkie
That virtual floor really does look worse everytime I see it.
NG
noggin Founding member
cityprod posted:

But the current sets are virtual. Only the desk, chairs and presenters are real in those sets.


Yes - but the suggestion was different sets for each programme - not different virtual sets.

Of course you could change the environment - and if you had the money and man power the desk. However changing the desk would almost certainly require a re-light - as people would change positions.

Quote:

So, it is perfectly feaseable for them to create a different look for each bulletin. I know that some local news operations in the US have different virtual looks for each of their bulletins, so if a local news operation in the US can do it, so can ITN.


The bigger question is why? Surely ITV News are aiming to create a "brand" - and using different sets for each show would only dilute this. They've rolled out a common design to all ITV PLC companies - which links to the current studio design (apart from NaT) - they'd have to keep them quite closely aligned to keep the branding consistent.

(US News local news shows don't really do set branding in the same way as European broadcasters - partially because the network and local news bulletins are not managed by the same people - apart from O&Os)
TO
Tom0
The virtual floor with Nina looks far better. The one with Alistair and Katie gets worse and worse every time its on screen. But I don't see why they never got some shots of the walkway before they removed it then used this instead of using CGI to create a new one.

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