Yes, to be honest, I feel both teatime news programmes (BBC Six and ITV Evening) have been greatly watered down in recent years. They are practically becoming the same as the lunchtime bulletins, which have always been 'lighter'. The difference between teatime and late bulletins is marked: both the BBC Ten and ITV 10.30 have a much heavier, serious agenda. I much prefer to watch the news at that time now, as I'd rather be addressed like an intelligent adult.
While it was a scoop with a capital S getting that interview, to do it Live proved they were a bit out of their depth as he repeatedly turned the question back on Mannion "..but i want to know your opinion . . . ." " No I am just a correspondent.."
The evening news (and the 6 on beeb1 is guilty sometimes) should just report news and not try and create stories.
He was live on Channel 4 straight afterwards, and will apparently be live on a US network tomorrow, so it may be that he's only agreed to do live interviews.
I do detect a determination to dump on ITV News more or less whatever they do these days. This interview struck me as a pretty bold effort, given the potential technical and editorial difficulties. ITV take a lot of stick (often justified) on these boards for their agenda, then they do something something serious and worthy and still they get sh*t.
While it was a scoop with a capital S getting that interview, to do it Live proved they were a bit out of their depth as he repeatedly turned the question back on Mannion "..but i want to know your opinion . . . ." " No I am just a correspondent.."
The evening news (and the 6 on beeb1 is guilty sometimes) should just report news and not try and create stories.
He was live on Channel 4 straight afterwards, and will apparently be live on a US network tomorrow, so it may be that he's only agreed to do live interviews.
I do detect a determination to dump on ITV News more or less whatever they do these days. This interview struck me as a pretty bold effort, given the potential technical and editorial difficulties. ITV take a lot of stick (often justified) on these boards for their agenda, then they do something something serious and worthy and still they get sh*t.
I agree it was bold, and they are definately to be applauded for pinning down this live interview.
The constructive criticism is for the actual interview - Mannion was not in control all the way through. The interview overran because everything was said 4 times english to irnaian & iranian back to english, so other items in the programme (i.e. our national football squad's crucial qualifying game tonight which may be of less political importance but is of more interest to more people) were shunted or dropped.
While it was a scoop with a capital S getting that interview, to do it Live proved they were a bit out of their depth as he repeatedly turned the question back on Mannion "..but i want to know your opinion . . . ." " No I am just a correspondent.."
The evening news (and the 6 on beeb1 is guilty sometimes) should just report news and not try and create stories.
He was live on Channel 4 straight afterwards, and will apparently be live on a US network tomorrow, so it may be that he's only agreed to do live interviews.
I do detect a determination to dump on ITV News more or less whatever they do these days. This interview struck me as a pretty bold effort, given the potential technical and editorial difficulties. ITV take a lot of stick (often justified) on these boards for their agenda, then they do something something serious and worthy and still they get sh*t.
I agree it was bold, and they are definately to be applauded for pinning down this live interview.
The constructive criticism is for the actual interview - Mannion was not in control all the way through. The interview overran because everything was said 4 times english to irnaian & iranian back to english, so other items in the programme (i.e. our national football squad's crucial qualifying game tonight which may be of less political importance but is of more interest to more people) were shunted or dropped.
So we on this forum accuse ITV of being too fluffy with their Evening News then deride them for dropping a preview of a football match for a major interview with a key global leader? They really can't win.
While it was a scoop with a capital S getting that interview, to do it Live proved they were a bit out of their depth as he repeatedly turned the question back on Mannion "..but i want to know your opinion . . . ." " No I am just a correspondent.."
The evening news (and the 6 on beeb1 is guilty sometimes) should just report news and not try and create stories.
He was live on Channel 4 straight afterwards, and will apparently be live on a US network tomorrow, so it may be that he's only agreed to do live interviews.
I do detect a determination to dump on ITV News more or less whatever they do these days. This interview struck me as a pretty bold effort, given the potential technical and editorial difficulties. ITV take a lot of stick (often justified) on these boards for their agenda, then they do something something serious and worthy and still they get sh*t.
I agree it was bold, and they are definately to be applauded for pinning down this live interview.
The constructive criticism is for the actual interview - Mannion was not in control all the way through. The interview overran because everything was said 4 times english to irnaian & iranian back to english, so other items in the programme (i.e. our national football squad's crucial qualifying game tonight which may be of less political importance but is of more interest to more people) were shunted or dropped.
So we on this forum accuse ITV of being too fluffy with their Evening News then deride them for dropping a preview of a football match for a major interview with a key global leader? They really can't win.
You're missing the point entirely. Regardless of the football, the fact remains that the Evening News tonight consisted of just two news stories (foot and mouth, Madeleine), one interview (Ahmadinejad) and one feature report (gorillas). My problem is not that they conducted the interview. In fact, they should be congratulated, as it was obviously a difficult thing to do with the potential for many problems, as has already been mentioned. The point is that all of the day's other news (and sport) was completely dropped. Where was the coverage of everything else which happened in the UK and the world today?
That's
what I've got a problem with. I tuned in for a round-up of today's news, and all I got was two news stories. To me, that's not good enough. They should have either pre-recorded it so they could plan exactly how long it was going to take, or they should have included it in an ITV News Special, or even on Tonight with Trevor McDonald.
You're missing the point entirely. Regardless of the football, the fact remains that the Evening News tonight consisted of just two news stories (foot and mouth, Madeleine), one interview (Ahmadinejad) and one feature report (gorillas). My problem is not that they conducted the interview. In fact, they should be congratulated, as it was obviously a difficult thing to do with the potential for many problems, as has already been mentioned. The point is that all of the day's other news (and sport) was completely dropped. Where was the coverage of everything else which happened in the UK and the world today?
That's
what I've got a problem with. I tuned in for a round-up of today's news, and all I got was two news stories. To me, that's not good enough. They should have either pre-recorded it so they could plan exactly how long it was going to take, or they should have included it in an ITV News Special, or even on Tonight with Trevor McDonald.
No, I think we got the point, which is that ITV News can do nothing right. The gorillas story that I saw was not a feature, but a major report from the world conservation unit on the impending extinction of 16,000 plants and animals. What other stories were you missing today? Should they have made time to report their own re-organisation announced by Michael Grade? They'd have had a kicking if they'd done that...
While it was a scoop with a capital S getting that interview, to do it Live proved they were a bit out of their depth as he repeatedly turned the question back on Mannion "..but i want to know your opinion . . . ." " No I am just a correspondent.."
The evening news (and the 6 on beeb1 is guilty sometimes) should just report news and not try and create stories.
He was live on Channel 4 straight afterwards, and will apparently be live on a US network tomorrow, so it may be that he's only agreed to do live interviews.
I do detect a determination to dump on ITV News more or less whatever they do these days. This interview struck me as a pretty bold effort, given the potential technical and editorial difficulties. ITV take a lot of stick (often justified) on these boards for their agenda, then they do something something serious and worthy and still they get sh*t.
I agree it was bold, and they are definately to be applauded for pinning down this live interview.
The constructive criticism is for the actual interview - Mannion was not in control all the way through. The interview overran because everything was said 4 times english to irnaian & iranian back to english, so other items in the programme (i.e. our national football squad's crucial qualifying game tonight which may be of less political importance but is of more interest to more people) were shunted or dropped.
So we on this forum accuse ITV of being too fluffy with their Evening News then deride them for dropping a preview of a football match for a major interview with a key global leader? They really can't win.
You're missing the point entirely. Regardless of the football, the fact remains that the Evening News tonight consisted of just two news stories (foot and mouth, Madeleine), one interview (Ahmadinejad) and one feature report (gorillas). My problem is not that they conducted the interview. In fact, they should be congratulated, as it was obviously a difficult thing to do with the potential for many problems, as has already been mentioned. The point is that all of the day's other news (and sport) was completely dropped. Where was the coverage of everything else which happened in the UK and the world today?
That's
what I've got a problem with. I tuned in for a round-up of today's news, and all I got was two news stories. To me, that's not good enough. They should have either pre-recorded it so they could plan exactly how long it was going to take, or they should have included it in an ITV News Special, or even on Tonight with Trevor McDonald.
I was responding to salfordjohn using the example of the football as something that was missed out on due to the interview. As has been said, it appears a condition for this interview was that it were to be live and I think missing a few stories is a price to pay for that, particularly on a quiet news day.
There we see the grey floor, and blocks on the screen as well as better graphics. I know that when they rebranded ITV1, 2 and 3 back in January 06 we lost all of that, but it looks far more professional than that we get today and they should have kept that even if they just did replace the old ITV logo with the new one.
I think thats an all round better set up (except the random desk)
The floor, since 2004, has always been the blue we see now.
However, in some pictures I've seen, the floor was grey. It must have been in rehearsals or something. It looked very nice, this was when the raised floor was white though. I think if they toned down the blue, with, say more grey/white it would look better.
Lucy Meacock presenting tonight, the late bulletin is on at 11.40 though!
I noticed that once again, Lucy was sitting on the left of the desk, instead of in the middle, ala BBC News?
Its good to see that Lucy has made an impression on the ITV News producers because this is the third time in around 6 or 7 weeks that shes been on national news and that must be a first for a regional news presenter from up north?
Perhaps with the merging of ITV regions and rumoured axing of regional output altogether, she might use her business head and accept a job as one of the main anchors, surely that offer can't be far off, especially as she has been asked before and shes miles better than some of the others on there. Or even if she just became the weekend anchor (every weekend or every other weekend alternating) then that would still be something to fall back onto if regional news suddenly falls through in the near future.