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True, although I find the way ITV report the link between global warming and human activity as absolute fact is very misleading-- when the link has not actually been solidly proven!
This debate is probably not for this forum, but the link between global warming and human activity is very solidly proven. I've read that many of the research companies and scientific think-tanks that dispute this have a measure of sponsorship from oil companies somewhere in their financial affairs. Whether that's true or simply propaganda I don't know. But look at it this way. We can debate the emphasis news programmes place on environmental issues. But whether global warming is caused by human activity or not, the planet is without doubt heating up, and the consequences of that for human habitation are already happening . Whether you like it or not, that is newsworthy.
I'm not saying it isn't newsworthy.
However it is solidly proven by whomgullible? I think it is gullible to suggest it has been solidly proven. I work for a government scientific department (NERC), and it has been strongly suggest to me by some scientists that the government leans on them to say that the link ^ is present.
Evidence to the contrary has nothing to do with oil companies in some cases. Great Britain was far warmer when Henry VIII was on the throne than it is now... we know that from weather records written at the time, when oil companies didn't even exist. Documents from the time show there were vinyards in the far north of England. We don't have that situation now, even with human acitivity supposedly warming the planet.
OK we aren't helping pumping out CO2, but the amount we pump out is marginal to the amount of CO2 that all volcanoes in the world spew out.
Climate changes all the time, there is nothing we can do about it. When air pollution was far worse in Victorian times, we had some the most severe winters on record for instance. Venus once had sheets of ice on it, but they have melted in recent years. No humans to blame there. The climate of the planet has changed long before humans arrived on the scene, we can see that from fossil samples for example.
Human activity only has a negligible effect on the climate, unless we create a nuclear winter-- there would be few people around to worry about that if it occurred. Climate is determined by a lot things; air currents, water currents, volcanic activity and the thing governs them the sun. The sun's power is not constant, a slight increase in the sun's power can result in an increase in temperature.
Most global-warming experts are self-appointed, or work as government advisors. Governments who use climate change as an excuse of screwing taxes out of people and/or covering up other governments' more nefarious activities.
It doesn't help that tabloid papers and ITV stir things by sensationalising everything. So-called experts can't get the weather right over the next few days, let alone the next decades; or decide whether the UK will get a Russian climate or Med climate
Jonathan H posted:
Roger Mellie posted:
Brekkie Boy posted:
Global warming is happening though - no "could be" about it!
True, although I find the way ITV report the link between global warming and human activity as absolute fact is very misleading-- when the link has not actually been solidly proven!
This debate is probably not for this forum, but the link between global warming and human activity is very solidly proven. I've read that many of the research companies and scientific think-tanks that dispute this have a measure of sponsorship from oil companies somewhere in their financial affairs. Whether that's true or simply propaganda I don't know. But look at it this way. We can debate the emphasis news programmes place on environmental issues. But whether global warming is caused by human activity or not, the planet is without doubt heating up, and the consequences of that for human habitation are already happening . Whether you like it or not, that is newsworthy.
I'm not saying it isn't newsworthy.
However it is solidly proven by whomgullible? I think it is gullible to suggest it has been solidly proven. I work for a government scientific department (NERC), and it has been strongly suggest to me by some scientists that the government leans on them to say that the link ^ is present.
Evidence to the contrary has nothing to do with oil companies in some cases. Great Britain was far warmer when Henry VIII was on the throne than it is now... we know that from weather records written at the time, when oil companies didn't even exist. Documents from the time show there were vinyards in the far north of England. We don't have that situation now, even with human acitivity supposedly warming the planet.
OK we aren't helping pumping out CO2, but the amount we pump out is marginal to the amount of CO2 that all volcanoes in the world spew out.
Climate changes all the time, there is nothing we can do about it. When air pollution was far worse in Victorian times, we had some the most severe winters on record for instance. Venus once had sheets of ice on it, but they have melted in recent years. No humans to blame there. The climate of the planet has changed long before humans arrived on the scene, we can see that from fossil samples for example.
Human activity only has a negligible effect on the climate, unless we create a nuclear winter-- there would be few people around to worry about that if it occurred. Climate is determined by a lot things; air currents, water currents, volcanic activity and the thing governs them the sun. The sun's power is not constant, a slight increase in the sun's power can result in an increase in temperature.
Most global-warming experts are self-appointed, or work as government advisors. Governments who use climate change as an excuse of screwing taxes out of people and/or covering up other governments' more nefarious activities.
It doesn't help that tabloid papers and ITV stir things by sensationalising everything. So-called experts can't get the weather right over the next few days, let alone the next decades; or decide whether the UK will get a Russian climate or Med climate
