Surely though, if they have a live presenter anyway, why can't they stretch out the summarys so that they are actual half hourly bulletins on the hour through the night, the only exception being 5am, when they'd use a summary, due to the Morning News at 5:30.
Because it takes far more than a presenter to produce and output a full half-hour news programme - it needs quite a few journalists and technical crew. This would cost far more than the skeleton staff that are employed overnight at the moment.
Surely though, if they have a live presenter anyway, why can't they stretch out the summarys so that they are actual half hourly bulletins on the hour through the night, the only exception being 5am, when they'd use a summary, due to the Morning News at 5:30.
Because it takes far more than a presenter to produce and output a full half-hour news programme - it needs quite a few journalists and technical crew. This would cost far more than the skeleton staff that are employed overnight at the moment.
Really?
They manage to show clips of reports and have a written script during the summaries, so I don't see why they can't play out reports from earlier in the day/night (the latest if it's been a developing story), and a pre written script (that could be ammended at any point) that could be read from the autocue. Have a camera that's positioned, without a cameraman if they could. Do it from the simple CSO background, rather than the VR set, so that it's just the background with no moving of cameras (by this I mean the VR set moving of the cameras to make everything look as if it's really there, but there would be a moving background.
It would simply be the overnight summaries extended, and pre recorded programmes in place of a repeat of the 10:30 or the 11pm.
That way if anything does break, the newscaster could at least break the story, giving details of anything, and continue with a breaking news story, (though that would require more crew).
I agree with an earlier post about having a full hour news service going until 1am, perhaps double headed, and then go to the night service from 1.
Plus they should really start with the breakfast slot at 6am, I wasn't even aware that they didn't. It seems very stupid, even though they may have the News Hour on GMTV, but it's only an extra hour where they could pick up more viewers, such as the one's that don't want to watch GMTV or Breakfast, and have already seen the Morning News.
Back to the News Channel Today.
Chris Rogers started at the top of the hour (I think it was 2pm), it cut to the studio after the titles where the background hadn't appeared leaving it bright green, he then went to continue to read the other headlines, and then it cut straight to the first report after the end of healines sting.
Really?
They manage to show clips of reports and have a written script during the summaries, so I don't see why they can't play out reports from earlier in the day/night (the latest if it's been a developing story), and a pre written script (that could be ammended at any point) that could be read from the autocue. Have a camera that's positioned, without a cameraman if they could. Do it from the simple CSO background, rather than the VR set, so that it's just the background with no moving of cameras (by this I mean the VR set moving of the cameras to make everything look as if it's really there, but there would be a moving background.
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That is a very good idea. I am sure that is fairly straightforward to do, and if ITV paid ITN a few more hundred pounds so they can get more people to work overnights for ITV News, making it a formidable competitor in the news channel market.
Chris Rogers started at the top of the hour (I think it was 2pm), it cut to the studio after the titles where the background hadn't appeared leaving it bright green, he then went to continue to read the other headlines, and then it cut straight to the first report after the end of healines sting.
It seems the News Channel was dogged with technical problems since midday today!
Surely though, if they have a live presenter anyway, why can't they stretch out the summarys so that they are actual half hourly bulletins on the hour through the night, the only exception being 5am, when they'd use a summary, due to the Morning News at 5:30.
Because it takes far more than a presenter to produce and output a full half-hour news programme - it needs quite a few journalists and technical crew. This would cost far more than the skeleton staff that are employed overnight at the moment.
Really?
They manage to show clips of reports and have a written script during the summaries, so I don't see why they can't play out reports from earlier in the day/night (the latest if it's been a developing story), and a pre written script (that could be ammended at any point) that could be read from the autocue. Have a camera that's positioned, without a cameraman if they could. Do it from the simple CSO background, rather than the VR set, so that it's just the background with no moving of cameras (by this I mean the VR set moving of the cameras to make everything look as if it's really there, but there would be a moving background.
It would simply be the overnight summaries extended, and pre recorded programmes in place of a repeat of the 10:30 or the 11pm.
That way if anything does break, the newscaster could at least break the story, giving details of anything, and continue with a breaking news story, (though that would require more crew).
I agree with an earlier post about having a full hour news service going until 1am, perhaps double headed, and then go to the night service from 1.
Plus they should really start with the breakfast slot at 6am, I wasn't even aware that they didn't. It seems very stupid, even though they may have the News Hour on GMTV, but it's only an extra hour where they could pick up more viewers, such as the one's that don't want to watch GMTV or Breakfast, and have already seen the Morning News.
Back to the News Channel Today.
Chris Rogers started at the top of the hour (I think it was 2pm), it cut to the studio after the titles where the background hadn't appeared leaving it bright green, he then went to continue to read the other headlines, and then it cut straight to the first report after the end of healines sting.
Producing updated reports would require more journalists - that would be the main extra cost. You would also need at least one more member of the technical staff - all this costs money - this is what you fail to seem to understand.
Surely though, if they have a live presenter anyway, why can't they stretch out the summarys so that they are actual half hourly bulletins on the hour through the night, the only exception being 5am, when they'd use a summary, due to the Morning News at 5:30.
Because it takes far more than a presenter to produce and output a full half-hour news programme - it needs quite a few journalists and technical crew. This would cost far more than the skeleton staff that are employed overnight at the moment.
Really?
They manage to show clips of reports and have a written script during the summaries, so I don't see why they can't play out reports from earlier in the day/night (the latest if it's been a developing story), and a pre written script (that could be ammended at any point) that could be read from the autocue. Have a camera that's positioned, without a cameraman if they could. Do it from the simple CSO background, rather than the VR set, so that it's just the background with no moving of cameras (by this I mean the VR set moving of the cameras to make everything look as if it's really there, but there would be a moving background.
It would simply be the overnight summaries extended, and pre recorded programmes in place of a repeat of the 10:30 or the 11pm.
That way if anything does break, the newscaster could at least break the story, giving details of anything, and continue with a breaking news story, (though that would require more crew).
I agree with an earlier post about having a full hour news service going until 1am, perhaps double headed, and then go to the night service from 1.
Plus they should really start with the breakfast slot at 6am, I wasn't even aware that they didn't. It seems very stupid, even though they may have the News Hour on GMTV, but it's only an extra hour where they could pick up more viewers, such as the one's that don't want to watch GMTV or Breakfast, and have already seen the Morning News.
Back to the News Channel Today.
Chris Rogers started at the top of the hour (I think it was 2pm), it cut to the studio after the titles where the background hadn't appeared leaving it bright green, he then went to continue to read the other headlines, and then it cut straight to the first report after the end of healines sting.
Producing updated reports would require more journalists - that would be the main extra cost. You would also need at least one more member of the technical staff - all this costs money - this is what you fail to seem to understand.
The 10:30 reports would surfice as they would be perfect length to fill the length, unless of course there was a big breaking news story, that should mean that a team (perhaps a few shorter than a main team) stays to hand to live feeds, to keep up with breaking news until events finish.
I understand about the money, but what I don't understand is why it would require another technical crew member.
For the overnight summaries, somebody sets the background (moving squares running), somebody controls the autocue (though can't this be done by the newsreader?), and writes the script (though can't this be done by the newsreader aswell?), and somebody plays the reports or parts of clips that they use, so they wouldn't need somebody extra for that, and after 1am they don't use adverts until the morning.
So that's why I don't understand why they need an extra member, sorry if I've obviously missed it!
Just to note that Nicholas Owen has done it again. I do feel sorry for him some days. He's the hardest working one at ITN. I think he's only had a few weeks off within the past year and is always there at Lunchtime.
And today he's done the Lunchtime, Evening and the 10:30 (is there still not a name for this, do we call it nightly??), I'm not sure if he followed the Lunchtime on the News Channel or if he also did the pre Evening news on the channel at 3pm, but it's a busy day without that, and he's back again on the Lunchtime at 12:30pm tomorrow.
I bet he's sick of hearing about the Smoking ban in Scotland, though from tonight that same reporter in Scotland looked to be sat in the same pub as he was at Lunchtime, and he seemed to be live each time.
Just to note that Nicholas Owen has done it again. I do feel sorry for him some days. He's the hardest working one at ITN. I think he's only had a few weeks off within the past year and is always there at Lunchtime.
And today he's done the Lunchtime, Evening and the 10:30 (is there still not a name for this, do we call it nightly??), I'm not sure if he followed the Lunchtime on the News Channel or if he also did the pre Evening news on the channel at 3pm, but it's a busy day without that, and he's back again on the Lunchtime at 12:30pm tomorrow.
Oh i'm sure the poor thing's getting paid for all that overtime. And just to note - he also has had his fair share of time off since the relaunch, I would say nearly much as Trevor.
What on earth is going on with Joyce Ohaja? She's off yet again. Not that I'm particularly complaining cos we get Owen Thomas whenever she's off who's ten times better. Do they still show her News Channel trailer - Joyce ohaja... live between 7 and 8?
Poor Nic Owen - but you can't expect old Trevor to do three nights on the run.
Re: Overnights - considering during the days the viewing figures are only in the tens of thousands, I imagine overnight it's barely in the tens.
What they do need to do however is better package the overnight material as Sky Sports News do by having an hour long news programme at midnight, which is then replayed through the night. This would feature the main news and a review of the papers, plus maybe the extended footage of a press conference / PMQs etc from earlier in the day.
Another idea for overnight is playing out all the regional bulletins from the 10.30pm News - that would take a couple of hours of air time and offer something different.
Away from feeling sorry for Nicholas Owen and improving overnights, I gather Mary Njghtingale has gone on her pregnancy leave and I bet Andrea Catherwood will be the female presenter of the Evening News. Possibly with Katie Derham?
So, that must mean Nina Hossein will be coming to ITV News next week. I hope ITN don't put Nina immediately onto the News At 10.30 - it'll be like putting Sasha Herriman on, I'd say.
Finally, Mark Austin must have done a report on Yasser Arafat's life a few days ago because:
He has not been seen on ITV1 or the News Channel
He has not been at work since Tuesday - that we know of
He has not been seen on ITV1 or the News Channel