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Mr Kite891 posts since 15 Aug 2007
Granada North West Today
If ITV are forced to do that in Wales they'll have to do so in "their" part of Scotland, otherwise it could be seen as discriminatory provision.


And perhaps the same in England too? I've never understood why it's assumed people in England are just happy with generic British stuff rather than anything regional. But then, I grew up believing the different parts of Britain weren't so different, but hey, the UK won't be here in 30 years time.
Andrew13,826 posts since 27 Mar 2001
Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
I'm not a fan of th suggestion to cut weekends down to 5 mins, weekend bulletins are already a farce, both on ITV and BBC, one story and then onto sport.

The comments about strong identity across sub regions, focussing on Hull are interesting, as we've seen with Look North Hull, who suddenly no longer cover pan-Yorkshire issues as they may occur elsewhere in Yorkshire.

It also looks like the end for Oscar Puffin.
Steven O1,025 posts since 4 Jan 2003
STV Central Reporting Scotland
Yet again Southern Scotland is set to miss out. ITV had a choice to right this wrong once and for all and once again they have blown it. I can't say that I'm entirely surprised by their proposals, though.
"I'm a marvellous housekeeper - every time I leave a man, I keep his house." (Zsa Zsa Gabor)
robertclark1251,435 posts since 13 Jan 2009
STV Central Reporting Scotland
Well, here's another suggestion, kind of based on things done by Tyne Tees with Network North in 1993.

The scottish part of Border should become an STV south region, with its own dedicated news programming, like what we have here in the east, from Edinburgh. That is live, with mainly east reports, but also showing reports from the west area which may be relevant. It would be broadcast from a studio in the Borders.

The Cumbria part of Border and the Tyne and wear, County Durham, and Northumberland parts of Tyne Tees become a new news region, and thus possibly a new franchise area, say ITV Northern. Show broadcast from Gateshead. The area covered is smaller, but the show would do what the old STV news did, and have 5 minute bulletins within it from other areas, in this case it could be Carlisle, Durham and as an example Ashington.

The "tees" area of Tyne Tees and the northern part of Yorkshire becomes a new region, ITV Tesside and North Yorkshire, from Blisdale, and again with 5 minute news reports within the main bulletin as above.

This may not be ideal, but, given that these new areas would be smaller than the current area, it does offer advantages. One, being that the regional adverts can be more locally focused than before. The smaller area does also mean that more stories from one big region are not jockying for position in the news, and it then means that stories can be featured better than before, I.e. more full length reports, rather than a quick skim over.

The major problem being created here is, of course, studios. I believe that the Tees-side studios are mothballed, for the Network North type show for Tees and North Yorkshire. This leads to problems for a base in the borders for STV. And the small opt out studios would, of course, need to be created. However, a little thought; why not work in partnership with local radio stations, and thus share facilities?

The other problem could be whether those living in the Border Scotland area want a new programme covering only that part, i.e. an STV News south programme, or, do they want the old Lookaround, covering Cumbria as well?
62305823,650 posts since 19 Aug 2005
Alas what you have suggested with the STV idea is not cost effective and the start up cost are not worth it. Current population for that area is 261'100. East opt of STV covers a million people, The west is nearly two and half million. North gets over a million. The best people get get would be the following:

ITV Scotland area, split in two for news at 6pm:

* Border area getting East opt.
* Dumfries and Galloway getting the West opt.

Maybe there could try for a new East/west News at lunchtime?
robertclark1251,435 posts since 13 Jan 2009
STV Central Reporting Scotland
You could well be right about the STV news covering the south of scotland in the way you've suggested, by having the split in that way, east gets the east.

As regards lunchtime splits, I'm sure in the 1980s STV did do that at lunchtime, as I saw footage once of old STV news broadcasts, on a programme about Scotland Today, and the caption to the left of the newsreader read "Scottish News East".

What about the ideas in England I've suggested?
62305823,650 posts since 19 Aug 2005
You could well be right about the STV news covering the south of scotland in the way you've suggested, by having the split in that way, east gets the east.

As regards lunchtime splits, I'm sure in the 1980s STV did do that at lunchtime, as I saw footage once of old STV news broadcasts, on a programme about Scotland Today, and the caption to the left of the newsreader read "Scottish News East".

What about the ideas in England I've suggested?


You on about this ?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTFtdg5L7Mw Did it also cover the lunchtime version?

Im not sure about the English ideas.
TonyCurrie398 posts since 19 Sep 2003
STV Central Reporting Scotland
No, you've misunderstood the clip. At the time, there were two newsreaders - one in Glasgow (Scottish news West) and one in Edinburgh (Scottish news East) but the stories alternated between them and one a single feed went to all the transmitters. Lunchtime news all came from Studio E in Glasgow, except for a week in 1985 when Studio E was being refurbished and the Lunchtime News came from the little Presentation Studio at the gateway in Edinburgh that was used in the evening for the "Scottish News East" parts of Scotland Today.
The views expressed on this forum are entirely my own.
Paul T87 posts since 14 Apr 2006
Border (England) North West Today
You could well be right about the STV news covering the south of scotland in the way you've suggested, by having the split in that way, east gets the east.

As regards lunchtime splits, I'm sure in the 1980s STV did do that at lunchtime, as I saw footage once of old STV news broadcasts, on a programme about Scotland Today, and the caption to the left of the newsreader read "Scottish News East".

What about the ideas in England I've suggested?


The issue about splitting it that way is Edinburgh and Glasgow are going to dominate the programmes much more than Carlisle would. By all accounts the research done suggests people in Border Scotland want local news as distinct from Scottish news (they even say they get the latter from the BBC anyway, so don't need ITV to provide it).

You also create the issue that Cumbria, especially the south of the county, has little in common with Tyneside - and Cumbria's not large enough for a service on its own.