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Brekkie Wales Wales Today
I'd forgotten Tonight with Trevor McDonald started life as a 60 minutes style programme until I was trying to work out why he used to have Thursdays rather than Fridays off - it initially aired on Thursdays at 10pm before being cut to 45 minutes and airing on Wednesdays at 10.15pm, after the Champions League and Corrie at 9.45pm. Eventually it moved to Mon/Fri at 8pm, before being cut to one episode a week and moving to Thursdays.

Last edited by Brekkie on 1 September 2020 11:51pm
Turns out nobody had 2020 vision.
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JKDerry UTV Newsline
I have to agree on earlier comments on the car park era being a vast improvement. The presentation could have been worked on, particularly the fact that the lead presenter stood miles away from the desk and other presenter making very awkward viewing, but the music, voiceover and presenter line up was on point.

The problem for me with the trying to escape from the car park era of ITV News was the opening title sequence, when you rewatch it, it was put together very jumpy. Am I wrong? It looked like they had a glitch in their system and never bothered to fix it.
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itsrobert Founding member Granada North West Today
I have to agree on earlier comments on the car park era being a vast improvement. The presentation could have been worked on, particularly the fact that the lead presenter stood miles away from the desk and other presenter making very awkward viewing, but the music, voiceover and presenter line up was on point.

The way they achieved that pre-titles shot was quite interesting. Although it looked as though the presenter was stood miles away from the desk, in fact they weren't. They were actually stood with their back to the green wall just to the side of the desk and the background shot (taken live from one of the cameras) was inserted via CSO. It blew my mind when I saw how they did it person for the first time. Like you, I had just assumed they were stood a long way from the desk!
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itsrobert Founding member Granada North West Today
I have to agree on earlier comments on the car park era being a vast improvement. The presentation could have been worked on, particularly the fact that the lead presenter stood miles away from the desk and other presenter making very awkward viewing, but the music, voiceover and presenter line up was on point.

The problem for me with the trying to escape from the car park era of ITV News was the opening title sequence, when you rewatch it, it was put together very jumpy. Am I wrong? It looked like they had a glitch in their system and never bothered to fix it.

Yes, I know what you mean. I wasn't a fan of those titles either. The jumpiness and swaying around between the 'hero panels' used to make me feel a bit nauseous. That being said, they were quite an achievement, though, as I guess they were rendered live?

Although I wasn't desperately keen on the 2009-2013 era in terms of branding, music etc, the one thing I am grateful for to that era was the re-introduction of the VO at the start of the bulletins. I really missed that between 2004 and 2009.
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cmthwtv West Country (East) Points West
I agree that it was all a bit jumpy - but when it first came around I remember thinking that it was a genuine step forward - it had its flaws - the one thing I liked about ITV News back then was it's authoritative tone and pacy headline sequence. Something which the BBC lacked at the time.
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Brekkie Wales Wales Today
I have to agree on earlier comments on the car park era being a vast improvement. The presentation could have been worked on, particularly the fact that the lead presenter stood miles away from the desk and other presenter making very awkward viewing, but the music, voiceover and presenter line up was on point.

The way they achieved that pre-titles shot was quite interesting. Although it looked as though the presenter was stood miles away from the desk, in fact they weren't. They were actually stood with their back to the green wall just to the side of the desk and the background shot (taken live from one of the cameras) was inserted via CSO. It blew my mind when I saw how they did it person for the first time. Like you, I had just assumed they were stood a long way from the desk!

It was very effective as well and one thing that was great about that era was how the partnerships were equal - and that was a very effective way of visually showing it by pushing alternate presenters literally to the forefront at the beginning of each episode.

Only thing I didn't like was not including the Big Ben clockface at the right time - it could easily have been done as they included a generic shot of the clockface within the titles, so a subtle switch to 1.30/6.30/10 wouldn't have detracted from their attempts to move away from the London centric view.


Overall though what I like about ITV News, and I think largely ITN beforehand, is when they do revamp they go for it and completely change the look and sound of the bulletin, yet keep the key elements of their identity throughout. The current look is by far the longest identity since the 80s I think, and is so good it doesn't really feel tired at all.

It could be evolved, but hopefully they'll remain as bold as ever when they do eventually rebrand - in these days when each BBC and Sky rebrand seems to be a slightly different variation of the same thing, something a bit fresher would be appreciated.
Turns out nobody had 2020 vision.
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JKDerry UTV Newsline
The current 2013 look is very good, and dare I say one of the best revamps of their news. Now in 2020, there could be tweaks made to the studio set, especially the empty production gallery backdrop they have behind the newsreader.

One of the great things ITV News have to their advantage is that Studio 1 at ITN is a complete green screen studio, so they can go anywhere in terms of style and presentation.

Maybe they could move ITV News London out of Studio 1 and allow the full studio space to be used for any new look in the future. Just one question, where would ITV News London go? Does ITV News London have to always share Studio 1 with the national bulletins?
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Steve Williams
I'd forgotten Tonight with Trevor McDonald started life as a 60 minutes style programme until I was trying to work out why he used to have Thursdays rather than Fridays off - it initially aired on Thursdays at 10pm before being cut to 45 minutes and airing on Wednesdays at 10.15pm, after the Champions League and Corrie at 9.45pm. Eventually it moved to Mon/Fri at 8pm, before being cut to one episode a week and moving to Thursdays.


Yes, the initial intention of Tonight was to be a British version of 60 Minutes, with several reports over the hour, which numerous broadcasters have attempted - Here and Now on the Beeb was another one - and it's constantly failed to catch on. And indeed Tonight was a bit of a high-profile flop at the start, the ratings were very low and there were genuine fears it wouldn't last the year. For the first few months BBC1 had They Think It's All Over and Frank Skinner at the same time which were pulling in enormous audiences, it was a really cushy slot for BBC1.

What didn't help, as I remember people saying at the time, was that the first edition was devoted in its entirety to an interview with the Stephen Lawrence suspects, which was a big story at the time and got in the papers, but generally I think people were a bit uneasy about using that as a big splash, it felt a bit tabloid and seemed to give them a bit of an easy ride, and also it meant the first edition, with a single report, was nothing like how the show was going to be like on a weekly basis. It's like when Richard and Judy had OJ Simpson on the first edition of their chat show a few years earlier, it dominated the whole thing and so got it off to a bit of a false start.

As you say, the ratings were so bad that in the autumn of 1999 it moved to Wednesdays, when it was at 10.15, in the period when Corrie was at 9.45 after a Champions League match, in the hope of giving it a decent lead-in. In those days, with the second group stage, there was pretty much a Champions League match every week in the autumn so it was a very regular slot, although I remember when there wasn't a match - and hence, Corrie at 9.45 - they generally wouldn't do Tonight. And for the next two years Tonight was on Wednesdays in the second half of the year and Thursdays in the first half (when there were fewer Champions League games).

Then in January 2001, News at Ten returned and initially Tonight moved to 10.20, but seemingly this was considered too late for a supposed flagship show (later even than Panorama at the time in its dead slot of 10.15 on Sundays), so after a few weeks of that it was split into two and moved to 8pm on Mondays and Fridays, and the 60 Minutes-style magazine format was dropped completely.

P.S. Backing up to Kirsty Young and I think when she joined she did effectively replace Dermot as Trevor's main stand in on the Evening News (which I recall as being every Thursday - think that's when he did Tonight initially) - I guess that was part of the deal to entice her away from a higher salary and arguably higher profile role at 5 News to front the somewhat less sexy Lunchtime News on ITV.


ITV News was much higher profile than 5 News, even at lunchtimes. You could say 5 News was a big deal for its first year or so, and Kirsty was certainly a major figure in its launch, but by the end of 1999 it wasn't - the main bulletin was at 6pm in those days, so the ratings were tiny. They did advertising around that time with the slogan "See it first on 5 at 6pm (repeated at 6.30 on ITV)", which was quite clever (and I think ITV complained about it), but obviously the elephant in the room was that you could see it on BBC1 at six as well. It was also the height of the three Fs era of C5 as well so it had a pretty poor reputation.

When she moved to ITV, part of the package was that she'd do other shows as well, so she took over Eye Spy, the police videos show which was a decent rater for ITV for a few years, and of course the disastrous The People Versus. And actually I think her first appearance on ITV, before she started on the news, was in January 2000 when she presented a Saturday night show with Pip Schofield called Predictions, where they'd asked various people twelve months earlier to predict what was going to happen in 1999 and they would be revealed on air. Actually I think they did that the following year as well.

Re: Kirsty Young - yes, she came in on the Lunchtime News in Jan 2000 and was promoted to the Evening News a year later when News at Ten returned, but Mary had been bought in for her maternity cover. She returned mid-year and famously anchored much of the live coverage on 9/11 - indeed her talking on air to her husband in New York is one of my strongest memories of the broadcasts that day. She left soon after though to return to Five, going on "Gardening leave" soon after announcing it.


Yes, I don't think she'd been back for very long at all before 9/11, maybe only a month or so. As you say, she didn't last very long after that, because she was back on C5 in January 2002, getting on the cover of the Radio Times.

I honestly haven't seen any evidence of anyone other than Trevor, Julia, John or Dermot presenting NAT between 1992 and 1999. I do know that in 1992, titles were prepared for Trevor, Carol, Alastair, Dermot, John, Jon Snow and Nicholas - in that order. By 1993 Alastair's titles had been replaced by Julia's. And then when the VOs were changed in late 1994 (to "from ITN" rather than "from the HQ of ITN") they had reduced to Trevor, Julia, John, Dermot, Nicholas and Carol, in that order. Although I don't believe Nick or Carol ever presented. I've certainly seen no evidence to suggest otherwise.


As I've said before, when they relaunched News at Ten in 1992, Julia Somerville wasn't a regular presenter as she'd just been absent for several months as she was seriously ill. To seemingly ease her back in, she would appear on News at Ten a couple of times a week presenting something called Focus On Britain, but everyone thought this seemed a bit of a waste of time, and her talents, and after a few months of that it was dropped and she became a regular newsreader again.
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itsrobert Founding member Granada North West Today
The current 2013 look is very good, and dare I say one of the best revamps of their news. Now in 2020, there could be tweaks made to the studio set, especially the empty production gallery backdrop they have behind the newsreader.

One of the great things ITV News have to their advantage is that Studio 1 at ITN is a complete green screen studio, so they can go anywhere in terms of style and presentation.

Maybe they could move ITV News London out of Studio 1 and allow the full studio space to be used for any new look in the future. Just one question, where would ITV News London go? Does ITV News London have to always share Studio 1 with the national bulletins?

I don't think that's likely to happen any time soon. London Tonight used to be based in Studio 4 and had its own production team in PCR2. When they moved LT into Studio 1 to share with the main ITV News bulletins, they also no longer required a crew in PCR2 as it could all be done from PCR1 using the ITV News crew (although the programme editor changes over between programmes). As a result, many staff were made redundant and shift patterns altered. I can't see them undoing that decision any time soon.
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Brekkie Wales Wales Today
Am I right in thinking ITV News (and possibly all ITN news bulletins) still used manned cameras rather than robotic cameras?
Turns out nobody had 2020 vision.
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valley
Am I right in thinking ITV News (and possibly all ITN news bulletins) still used manned cameras rather than robotic cameras?

Last time I was there they had a manned jib, but the rest were Radamec robotic heads on manual pedestal bases (Vinten Quartz) so the jib operator has to move those cameras if required. Picture from 2018 below (source) corroborates that:

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itsrobert Founding member Granada North West Today
I'd forgotten Tonight with Trevor McDonald started life as a 60 minutes style programme until I was trying to work out why he used to have Thursdays rather than Fridays off - it initially aired on Thursdays at 10pm before being cut to 45 minutes and airing on Wednesdays at 10.15pm, after the Champions League and Corrie at 9.45pm. Eventually it moved to Mon/Fri at 8pm, before being cut to one episode a week and moving to Thursdays.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtY5J5Nxm5Q

Does anyone know how Tonight with Trevor McDonald was put together back then? Presumably Trevor recorded his links at ITN possibly using a green screen studio. But was it assembled and edited elsewhere?

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