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Brekkie34,852 posts since 4 Jan 2003 Banned for 1 week
HTV Wales Wales Today
Studio wise though in 2008 it went the other way with changes to the other bulletins to match the studio look. I think what they have now is the perfect compromise - the bulletin has it's own identity but is on brand.
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itsrobert6,631 posts since 23 Mar 2001
Granada North West Today
I came across this doctoral thesis earlier that may be of interest: http://etheses.whiterose.ac.uk/3003/1/DX202842_1.pdf

As you would expect it's very long and detailed and I have only read certain sections so far, but it gives a fascinating insight into the newsgathering and production process at both ITN and BBC News in 1993/94. Well worth a read, especially chapters 4, 5 and 7.
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all new Phil3,751 posts since 12 Feb 2005
Granada North West Today
Surely that has to go down in history as one of Itv's biggest mistakes axing news at ten? Always remember people in school saying "My watch is set by News at Ten" Laughing Laughing

By the time they brought it back it was to late and the BBC had already taken their viewers, but good on the Beeb for taking a chance as it worked.

Depends on what’s more important to them - viewing figures for a news programme or the wider flexibility in their schedule. You can’t judge it on News at Ten ratings alone.
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JKDerry2,568 posts since 15 Oct 2016
UTV Newsline
Remember the mid 1980s to early 1990s era of BBC News, where each bulletin had their own unique look? Does every news bulletin now have to have the same look and style as every other bulletin, or is there something nice about a variety of styles to suit that particular time of day?

In 1990, there were a unique look for Breakfast News, One O'Clock News, Six O'Clock News, with only the Nine O'Clock News sharing the look with weekend news/bank holiday news bulletins. I enjoyed the individual looks, each worked perfect for the time of day they were at.

From 1993 when they introduced the computer generated news studio set for the BBC, we were on the path to the "corporate" look for news bulletins, all looking as one.
Newsroom2,114 posts since 2 Mar 2005 Recently warned

IIRC, it coincided with the launch of the atrium studio and John Suchet at the helm of the EEN. I’m not sure if that was also in or around the launch of a revised ITV Daytime schedule, including the launch of This Morning etc.


Are you sure it wasn't earlier than that, James? This page has some examples of mid-morning bulletins from 1988/89: https://www.tvark.org/?page=1931. And this video suggests the mid-afternoon bulletin existed by 1990:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9eLoj7GYVM

Were these still regional at that point, then?


I can’t be certain, Rob, but I do recall that gallery backdrop for the morning summary during This Morning. But I don’t recall that at all in the afternoons. Which leads to my earlier thought that perhaps STV didn’t take the afternoon summary.

I’m not sure though.


I believe the hourly summaries with gallery backdrop almost definitely started when This Morning was launched in 1988 and before that there was always a news bulletin at 9.25am weekdays. I always remember the afternoon bulletin at 15.25 because you knew who would be presenting the news at 5.40/EEN.
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JamesLaverty1925239 posts since 28 Feb 2017
Central (East) East Midlands Today
Remember the mid 1980s to early 1990s era of BBC News, where each bulletin had their own unique look? Does every news bulletin now have to have the same look and style as every other bulletin, or is there something nice about a variety of styles to suit that particular time of day?

In 1990, there were a unique look for Breakfast News, One O'Clock News, Six O'Clock News, with only the Nine O'Clock News sharing the look with weekend news/bank holiday news bulletins. I enjoyed the individual looks, each worked perfect for the time of day they were at.

From 1993 when they introduced the computer generated news studio set for the BBC, we were on the path to the "corporate" look for news bulletins, all looking as one.


It's what I liked best about the BBC's 1993 and ITN's 1995 looks. They were unified, but each had their own individuality. Even the 1999 ITN look had a bit of individuality initially (different camera angles on zoom in, order of titles/headlines, but now of course, every bulletin looks the same)
JKDerry2,568 posts since 15 Oct 2016
UTV Newsline
Remember the mid 1980s to early 1990s era of BBC News, where each bulletin had their own unique look? Does every news bulletin now have to have the same look and style as every other bulletin, or is there something nice about a variety of styles to suit that particular time of day?

In 1990, there were a unique look for Breakfast News, One O'Clock News, Six O'Clock News, with only the Nine O'Clock News sharing the look with weekend news/bank holiday news bulletins. I enjoyed the individual looks, each worked perfect for the time of day they were at.

From 1993 when they introduced the computer generated news studio set for the BBC, we were on the path to the "corporate" look for news bulletins, all looking as one.


It's what I liked best about the BBC's 1993 and ITN's 1995 looks. They were unified, but each had their own individuality. Even the 1999 ITN look had a bit of individuality initially (different camera angles on zoom in, order of titles/headlines, but now of course, every bulletin looks the same)

The 1993 look of the BBC was not great - I mean that brutally cold blue set was not great. The music of the news bulletins was very good, the over-the-top orchestral versions, really triumphant and fantastic, but the sets were not great in my opinion, especially Breakfast News of 1993 to 1997, where it looked like Nicholas Witchell and Jill Dando were trapped behind their desk, terrified of moving in case they exposed the virtual set.
JKDerry2,568 posts since 15 Oct 2016
UTV Newsline
I liked the look of the BBC World News bulletins of around 1995, where they had the curved blue desk in the same look as the BBC national news virtual set, but had a live newsroom backdrop imposed on to it. I preferred that, than the cold blue void of the BBC News bulletins of the same time.
itsrobert6,631 posts since 23 Mar 2001
Granada North West Today

Are you sure it wasn't earlier than that, James? This page has some examples of mid-morning bulletins from 1988/89: https://www.tvark.org/?page=1931. And this video suggests the mid-afternoon bulletin existed by 1990:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9eLoj7GYVM

Were these still regional at that point, then?


I can’t be certain, Rob, but I do recall that gallery backdrop for the morning summary during This Morning. But I don’t recall that at all in the afternoons. Which leads to my earlier thought that perhaps STV didn’t take the afternoon summary.

I’m not sure though.


I believe the hourly summaries with gallery backdrop almost definitely started when This Morning was launched in 1988 and before that there was always a news bulletin at 9.25am weekdays. I always remember the afternoon bulletin at 15.25 because you knew who would be presenting the news at 5.40/EEN.


Many thanks, Newsroom, that makes sense. So, two further questions, if you don't mind:

1. When did the 9.25am summary begin? Was that launched with the News at 12:30 in 1987 or did it extend back into the Leonard Parkin News at One era? If so, what branding was used for it?

2. Did the 3.25pm summary start at the same time as the other morning summaries? Or did that follow at a later date?
Newsroom2,114 posts since 2 Mar 2005 Recently warned

I can’t be certain, Rob, but I do recall that gallery backdrop for the morning summary during This Morning. But I don’t recall that at all in the afternoons. Which leads to my earlier thought that perhaps STV didn’t take the afternoon summary.

I’m not sure though.


I believe the hourly summaries with gallery backdrop almost definitely started when This Morning was launched in 1988 and before that there was always a news bulletin at 9.25am weekdays. I always remember the afternoon bulletin at 15.25 because you knew who would be presenting the news at 5.40/EEN.


Many thanks, Newsroom, that makes sense. So, two further questions, if you don't mind:

1. When did the 9.25am summary begin? Was that launched with the News at 12:30 in 1987 or did it extend back into the Leonard Parkin News at One era? If so, what branding was used for it?

2. Did the 3.25pm summary start at the same time as the other morning summaries? Or did that follow at a later date?


My knowledge is based on the music from this era(my fave, as you know) , so summaries commenced as you suggest - with the News at 12.30 because they used one of the stings.

I used to head to my grandmother's straight from school and be sure to be there for the afternoon summary and yes I believe it began at the same time.

Afternoon Summary.
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