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LL

London Lite Founding member 15 April 2016 9:19pm

Seriously? Pot, kettle, black? That's the best response you have?

All you're proving is you have no argument.

*drops the mic*

I don't have an argument because there isn't one. It's been explained clearly by people with a lot more knowledge and experience than you.

Considering you've ignored and not taken on board feedback elsewhere from media professionals, who am I going to believe? A bitter community radio presenter who can't stand the fact nobody listens to what he says as it's skewed towards your beliefs or media professionals and enthusiasts who actually listen and admit when they get it wrong?

I don't know, because there's no bitter community radio presenter here. Also, I twist my theories to suit the facts, not facts to suit theories.

Whatever image of me you have in your head, is informed only by your faulty standards, not by what I'm saying. Where you're coming from is so far away from where I am, that trying to discuss something with you, and others like you, feels more like a chore than a discussion with equals. You see, I've been where you come from, and that's a place I never want to go back to, that's how damaging I see it as.

Ian, you have no equals as nobody conforms to your very impossible standards. You'd be a better person if sometimes you took comments on the chin instead of goading for an argument.

Agree to disagree isn't a bad thing you know.

CI

cityprod 15 April 2016 9:29pm

London Lite posted:

cityprod posted:

London Lite posted:

I don't have an argument because there isn't one. It's been explained clearly by people with a lot more knowledge and experience than you.

Considering you've ignored and not taken on board feedback elsewhere from media professionals, who am I going to believe? A bitter community radio presenter who can't stand the fact nobody listens to what he says as it's skewed towards your beliefs or media professionals and enthusiasts who actually listen and admit when they get it wrong?

I don't know, because there's no bitter community radio presenter here. Also, I twist my theories to suit the facts, not facts to suit theories.

Whatever image of me you have in your head, is informed only by your faulty standards, not by what I'm saying. Where you're coming from is so far away from where I am, that trying to discuss something with you, and others like you, feels more like a chore than a discussion with equals. You see, I've been where you come from, and that's a place I never want to go back to, that's how damaging I see it as.

Ian, you have no equals as nobody conforms to your very impossible standards. You'd be a better person if sometimes you took comments on the chin instead of goading for an argument.

Agree to disagree isn't a bad thing you know.

Oh, I totally agree about agreeing to disagree. But impossible standards? All you're saying is that you can't see where I'm coming from, you don't have a point of reference to come from.

Seriously, Martin. Try putting yourself physically in my place, allow your mind to open up to other possibilities.

LL

London Lite Founding member 15 April 2016 9:34pm

cityprod posted:

London Lite posted:

cityprod posted:

I don't know, because there's no bitter community radio presenter here. Also, I twist my theories to suit the facts, not facts to suit theories.

Whatever image of me you have in your head, is informed only by your faulty standards, not by what I'm saying. Where you're coming from is so far away from where I am, that trying to discuss something with you, and others like you, feels more like a chore than a discussion with equals. You see, I've been where you come from, and that's a place I never want to go back to, that's how damaging I see it as.

Ian, you have no equals as nobody conforms to your very impossible standards. You'd be a better person if sometimes you took comments on the chin instead of goading for an argument.

Agree to disagree isn't a bad thing you know.

Oh, I totally agree about agreeing to disagree. But impossible standards? All you're saying is that you can't see where I'm coming from, you don't have a point of reference to come from.

Seriously, Martin. Try putting yourself physically in my place, allow your mind to open up to other possibilities.

If you really think I'm just "one of the gang" then you're wrong. I admit that I get things wrong on here, but also listen to other members, some who actually have knowledge and experience, where as you seem to have this so called alternative viewpoint purely for the sake of pushing something that isn't there and then don't listen to what they have to say. It can help to base a more balanced view rather than the black and white opinion you appear have of the world based on your posts over the years.

VM

VMPhil 15 April 2016 9:42pm

all new Phil posted:

BORING.

CI

cityprod 15 April 2016 9:48pm

London Lite posted:

cityprod posted:

London Lite posted:

Ian, you have no equals as nobody conforms to your very impossible standards. You'd be a better person if sometimes you took comments on the chin instead of goading for an argument.

Agree to disagree isn't a bad thing you know.

Oh, I totally agree about agreeing to disagree. But impossible standards? All you're saying is that you can't see where I'm coming from, you don't have a point of reference to come from.

Seriously, Martin. Try putting yourself physically in my place, allow your mind to open up to other possibilities.

If you really think I'm just "one of the gang" then you're wrong.

See, this is what I'm talking about. That thought was never even in my head. It just proves you have no idea where I'm actually coming from.

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I admit that I get things wrong on here, but also listen to other members, some who actually have knowledge and experience, where as you seem to have this so called alternative viewpoint purely for the sake of pushing something that isn't there and then don't listen to what they have to say. It can help to base a more balanced view rather than the black and white opinion you appear have of the world based on your posts over the years.

See, again here, you're way off base. Based on an extensive list of questions and responses, my viewpoint was measured to be Central. Not liberal, not conservative, not authoritarian or libertarian. About as mainstream as mainstream can be. And you think I have an unbalanced view...

LL

London Lite Founding member 15 April 2016 9:52pm

Your perception of yourself and what others see from you is so off-point that it's not even worth attempting to debate with you.

Do us all a favour and at least stop posting for a while.

IS

Inspector Sands 15 April 2016 9:54pm

cityprod posted:

Making spurious claims based on circumstantial evidence at best, is not going to engender a favourable reaction from me.

Then why do you keep making them then?

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You want less anger, then don;'t say patently stupid things, it's quite simple really.

Then why do you keep saying them then?

DT

DTV 15 April 2016 9:56pm

cityprod posted:

Are you kidding me? It's about as cooked up as claiming Barack Obama was born in Kenya. Someone could see similarities, and they thought that was enough evidence to make a spurious claim. Not even remotely close. It's well and truly cooked up.

I've tried being civil but when I saw this comment, the only words that came to mind were "for f***s sake".

Comparing the suggestion that a UK news programme may have influenced a UK satirical/parody news programme that aired around the same time to a ridiculous conspiracy movement that is associated primarily with racists and white supremacists and is based on no evidence is quite honestly the most ridiculous, the most bizarre and in some ways the most disgusting post I've ever seen on this forum. Especially when your only evidence that everyone else is wrong is that it isn't included among a probably partial list of programmes that influenced the production.

The fact is both sides have stated their arguments and neither side has any direct evidence to prove their point. You can't prove that The Channel Four Daily didn't influence The Day Today's graphics, set or format and we can't prove that it did even if it is more likely than not. Nearly everyone concurs that there probably was an influence on The Day Today and yet you disagree - which is fine. What isn't fine is as good as proving Godwin's law by likening your opponents to a group of racist nutters who made stuff up in order to try and get Obama removed from the Presidency largely because of the tone of his skin.

You've performed the Crosby 'Dead Cat' manoeuvre by saying something deliberately unpleasant because you don't like the way the argument has gone - rather than accept that possibly, nobody has asserted that it definitely did, one programme influenced a parody of that genre - you've consistently reiterated your evidence that doesn't actually prove otherwise, you've likened us to conspiracy nutters and have carried on an argument about something relatively minor and trivial for far too long. All that happened is a few of us saw the Channel Four Daily videos and were reminded of The Day Today and pondered whether there may have been an influence - you believe that there was no chance of this and have steamrolled a discussion that was based on a mere ponder. I think this argument should be settled with these two statements....

There is a chance that The Channel Four Daily influenced The Day Today production team
and

There is a chance the ITN graphics department, who probably worked on both shows, were influenced by their previous work

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CI

cityprod 15 April 2016 10:03pm

London Lite posted:

Your perception of yourself and what others see from you is so off-point that it's not even worth attempting to debate with you.

Do us all a favour and at least stop posting for a while.

*shaking my head* I think it's so sad that people can't open their minds to allow a new thought in.

Oh well... *walks away*

AS

Asa Admin 15 April 2016 10:04pm

And on that note a good place to end the conversation before it continues to get hijacked by a couple of people arguing. Do you not think it was a waste of time posting tonight? I think most of the rest of us would.

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