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Government to suspend Parliament

Discussion of coverage (August 2019)

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RK
Rkolsen
Someone tried to explain the HD SD thing to me once and it didn't make much sense.

Something to do with the camera that provides the image of the clock in the chamber, which is what they cut to before coverage starts and whenever proceedings have to be suddenly stopped. Because there's an issue with making the HD, none of the others can be switched to HD yet

As you can tell I didn't quite get it

Okay, as a foreigner whats the clock? Is it just a camera showing a clock in the chamber to avoid anything else being shown? I'd assume its similar to the static cameras that are shown during votes in the US Senate and House of Representatives where during votes there's a static shot of the risers with the vote count being tallied on screen.

I only put this question here in this thread because it relates loosely to parliament.
SP
Steve in Pudsey
It's literally that one of the cameras does a slow zoom into the clock in the chamber.
RK
Rkolsen
It's literally that one of the cameras does a slow zoom into the clock in the chamber.

So just as a place holder instead of an empty chamber?

Also, Jon Sopel I feel like has appeared more frequently on MSNBC the past few days compared to being on his own networks. He’s on All In with Chris Hayes right now. Surprised they haven’t offered him a contributor contract (basically he aside from the BBC networks cannot appear on anything other than NBCU properties) like Katty Kay.
IS
Inspector Sands
Yes it's just a close up of a clock in the chamber used at times when they can't show the chamber. When there's been incidents like the recent water leak or other disturbances they cut to it. The only example I can find is:
https://youtu.be/-qZXG-8eeaw
IS
Inspector Sands
Yes doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I just wonder whether the basic "world feed" of the Commons is produced using a very simple mixer - or even just a router?

Or possibly the clock feed is inserted downstream of the mixer (under control of the House authorities perhaps) and it's the switching mechanism that can't cope with mixed resolution feeds?

I think it's the latter. That sounds familiar and plausible


There's no 'basic world feed' of the commons or Lords or any committee room, everyone gets the same thing. It's done in a gallery
SP
Steve in Pudsey
Yes I was using an analogy I guess, to refer to the raw feed before the broadcasters add their own Aston's etc.
WE
welshkid
Someone tried to explain the HD SD thing to me once and it didn't make much sense.

Something to do with the camera that provides the image of the clock in the chamber, which is what they cut to before coverage starts and whenever proceedings have to be suddenly stopped. Because there's an issue with making the HD, none of the others can be switched to HD yet

As you can tell I didn't quite get it

Okay, as a foreigner whats the clock? Is it just a camera showing a clock in the chamber to avoid anything else being shown? I'd assume its similar to the static cameras that are shown during votes in the US Senate and House of Representatives where during votes there's a static shot of the risers with the vote count being tallied on screen.

I only put this question here in this thread because it relates loosely to parliament.


Another example here - which is the water leak. It shows how they will sometimes cut to it direct, usually if something unexpected happens, but also it shows how a planned events the camera will slowly zoom to it directly above the speakers chair

NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
The two shots of the clock at 2:27 and 3:00 on the above video are not the same, there is a slight variation in the positioning. At 2:27 it looks slap bang in the middle of the frame all the way round, at 3:00 its slightly off centre after the camera's moved, but it looks like from the visuals it is the same camera.

I was going to say it seems to take 15 seconds for the pan to get into position but IIRC when they did that vote that required suspension it was called and the gap between the Speaker and the clock appearing wasn't anywhere near 15 seconds. But of course the camera probably can move faster than the show-for-effect we see at the end of a session.
NG
noggin Founding member

I was going to say it seems to take 15 seconds for the pan to get into position but IIRC when they did that vote that required suspension it was called and the gap between the Speaker and the clock appearing wasn't anywhere near 15 seconds. But of course the camera probably can move faster than the show-for-effect we see at the end of a session.


Most camera remote systems will re-position differently based on whether they are on-air or off-air (with tally/red light interlock), and/or when manually configured.

When in off-air mode (or CUT mode I think it was called on Radamec - now Shotoku) - the camera will reposition as quickly as possible to the shot being recalled with no consideration for the aesthetics of the move. When in on-air mode (or FADE on some systems even when being operated without red light/tally interlock) the camera will do a nice smooth re-frame over a longer period (which can also be user modified) suitable for being seen on-air.
RK
Rkolsen

I was going to say it seems to take 15 seconds for the pan to get into position but IIRC when they did that vote that required suspension it was called and the gap between the Speaker and the clock appearing wasn't anywhere near 15 seconds. But of course the camera probably can move faster than the show-for-effect we see at the end of a session.


Most camera remote systems will re-position differently based on whether they are on-air or off-air (with tally/red light interlock), and/or when manually configured.

When in off-air mode (or CUT mode I think it was called on Radamec - now Shotoku) - the camera will reposition as quickly as possible to the shot being recalled with no consideration for the aesthetics of the move. When in on-air mode (or FADE on some systems even when being operated without red light/tally interlock) the camera will do a nice smooth re-frame over a longer period (which can also be user modified) suitable for being seen on-air.


Radamec is now Vinten.

Also could someone explain to me if the opposition now has more members than the government why isn’t Jeremy Corbyn the PM? Is it because it wasn’t a result of an election year?
AN
all new Phil

I was going to say it seems to take 15 seconds for the pan to get into position but IIRC when they did that vote that required suspension it was called and the gap between the Speaker and the clock appearing wasn't anywhere near 15 seconds. But of course the camera probably can move faster than the show-for-effect we see at the end of a session.


Most camera remote systems will re-position differently based on whether they are on-air or off-air (with tally/red light interlock), and/or when manually configured.

When in off-air mode (or CUT mode I think it was called on Radamec - now Shotoku) - the camera will reposition as quickly as possible to the shot being recalled with no consideration for the aesthetics of the move. When in on-air mode (or FADE on some systems even when being operated without red light/tally interlock) the camera will do a nice smooth re-frame over a longer period (which can also be user modified) suitable for being seen on-air.


Radamec is now Vinten.

Also could someone explain to me if the opposition now has more members than the government why isn’t Jeremy Corbyn the PM? Is it because it wasn’t a result of an election year?

Corbyn wouldn’t have the confidence of a majority of MPs - certainly less so than Johnson. Although he seems to be testing that to its limit right now.
AM
AphroMan

Most camera remote systems will re-position differently based on whether they are on-air or off-air (with tally/red light interlock), and/or when manually configured.

When in off-air mode (or CUT mode I think it was called on Radamec - now Shotoku) - the camera will reposition as quickly as possible to the shot being recalled with no consideration for the aesthetics of the move. When in on-air mode (or FADE on some systems even when being operated without red light/tally interlock) the camera will do a nice smooth re-frame over a longer period (which can also be user modified) suitable for being seen on-air.


Radamec is now Vinten.

Also could someone explain to me if the opposition now has more members than the government why isn’t Jeremy Corbyn the PM? Is it because it wasn’t a result of an election year?

Corbyn wouldn’t have the confidence of a majority of MPs - certainly less so than Johnson. Although he seems to be testing that to its limit right now.


Also the Lib Dems (who have 16 MPs) have said they would not support Corbyn as leader.

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