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General Election Thread

Discussion/speculation/predictions (February 2010)

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PE
Pete Founding member
House posted:
Of course suggestions that there will be a TC1 style/ sized studio at BH is absolute c*ap. My questions wasn't about "Will we get a huge studio at BH", but rather will there be sufficient studios at BH for broadcasts like Election coverage.


Yes I should have altered the quote from yours once I veered away from your own point but then I was so blind with rage I was unable to think straight.

I would however strongly expect the election nights to continue to come from TVC. Although there is potentially more space in BH there does not appear to be the ability to segregate the staff that they have at TVC. I mean it's possible everyone could do the work from their own normal desks or cordon off a bit of the newsroom but it seems more sensible to use somewhere else.

In the same way a business might hire a function suite in a pub rather than use their own office space for a particular event, it can help smooth things out and give them more room to breathe.

Least that makes sense to me.
HO
House
Hymagumba posted:
House posted:
Of course suggestions that there will be a TC1 style/ sized studio at BH is absolute c*ap. My questions wasn't about "Will we get a huge studio at BH", but rather will there be sufficient studios at BH for broadcasts like Election coverage.


Yes I should have altered the quote from yours once I veered away from your own point but then I was so blind with rage I was unable to think straight.

I would however strongly expect the election nights to continue to come from TVC. Although there is potentially more space in BH there does not appear to be the ability to segregate the staff that they have at TVC. I mean it's possible everyone could do the work from their own normal desks or cordon off a bit of the newsroom but it seems more sensible to use somewhere else.

In the same way a business might hire a function suite in a pub rather than use their own office space for a particular event, it can help smooth things out and give them more room to breathe.

Least that makes sense to me.


That would make sense, Hmya. Thanks for you response!
NE
newsmonkey
william posted:

David Dimbleby's 10 monitors are worth a look if you've not already seen them:

http://tweetphoto.com/20821428

To be honest, in this configuration, a lot of them are showing the same stuff. I assume someone is dedicated to looking after them for him and calling up relevant info throughout the programme. I'm not sure how helpful the 16 way split of outside sources is - I think I'd struggle to see it at that distance. Seems he hasn't got a teleprinter this time either (did that go in 2001 or was it still around last time? I'm finding a complete recording of the 2005 broadcast hard to come by.)

I always think the chief political correspondent and Tony King etc. are a bit underserved - Dimbleby has such a vast amount of data being fed to him but they sit there with almost nothing..


This is from Sunday. All the screens are actually showing different things. Front row is declaration info (l to r: ticker with newest confirmed result at top, state of parties scoreboard, handy info on a specific seat called up by a producer, big text of election tidbits/tips from corrs at counts etc). Middle row is monitoring output really (full frame current graphic output, next graphic, studio output (with me in shot!!), ticker of election tidbits/tips). Back row is the 'tips' screen which is essentially the basic running order, and 16 way OS monitor on right.

People sat next to Dimbleby and Sian/Jon (remember, they take over 6-10 while he sleeps) will have laptops that access the same info but in condensed form. There are several printers dotted around the studio floor, but nicely hidden away!
BC
Blake Connolly Founding member
I can just about read in one of those screens on Dimbleby's desk something about a Labour agent throwing a glass of water over a UKIP agent. Very Happy

It'd be quite fun to see some of the rehearsals from past elections, to see the sorts of situations they've run through.
JA
Jamesypoo
william posted:
I'm finding a complete recording of the 2005 broadcast hard to come by/


Not complete but there's a fair few hours on http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/186422-1.
FO
fodg09
Press release about election night on Sky.

http://www.skypressoffice.co.uk/SkyNews/Resources/showarticle.asp?id=2967

Apparently they will get the exit poll 10 minutes before 10pm but Adam Boulton has been asked not to be told until they unveil it live on air.
NG
noggin Founding member
cylon6 posted:
noggin posted:
Yes - Maria, Joseph and Nancy were all in TC1. Dorothy is the first one to come from Fountain, and is incidentally the first also to be a partial independent production (though BBC Productions own the format I think)


I'd heard that the BBC were so annoyed with how poorly the Light Entertainment Department were doing when it came to delivering hits that after 3 in-house series they let Talkback Thames have this one. The irony is you can't tell the difference as it looks and feels exactly the same as previous ALW shows.


I heard it was less to do with the BBC and more to do with Lord Lloyd-Webber not being happy with the production team...
NG
noggin Founding member
Hymagumba posted:


Well I think there's a load of pant-wettingly stupid excitement in this thread that needs to be dealt with sooner rather than later.
<very intelligent and salient post snipped>


Couldn't agree more...

TC1 works well for the election as it allows you to build a decent sized, purpose-built, newsroom specifically designed for an election show, and without disrupting the main newsroom still running "the rest of the day's news".

And of course it looks good - it's one of the UK's best TV studios...
ST
Stuart
Hymagumba posted:
You are under no circumstances going to get a TC1 style setup for the news at Broadcasting House, do you realise how much money TC1 costs to run? Taking into account they have traditionally hid away in N8/N6 at weekends to avoid powering up TC7 to save money and TC7 is one of the smaller studios.

I agree with all your points, Hyma, except the one about not powering up TC7 at weekends to save money.

TC7 is normally used quite alot on Sundays (Andrew Marr & Politics Show), and I always got the impression that perhaps some others programmes for the NC were using it on Saturdays (Straight Talk, Hard Talk et al), and maybe some for World News which we don't see in the UK.
ST
Stuart
fodg09 posted:
Press release about election night on Sky.

Apparently they will get the exit poll 10 minutes before 10pm but Adam Boulton has been asked not to be told until they unveil it live on air.

Good idea, I doubt he would want to slip up and give anything away before 10pm.

Isn't it illegal to broadcast the result of 'exit polls/predictions' or anything other than just an estimate of the turnout whilst the polls are actually open?

Perhaps that's just the BBC rules, although I would imagine Ofcom enforce something similar for commercial channels.
PC
Philip Cobbold
Stuart posted:
fodg09 posted:
Press release about election night on Sky.

Apparently they will get the exit poll 10 minutes before 10pm but Adam Boulton has been asked not to be told until they unveil it live on air.

Good idea, I doubt he would want to slip up and give anything away before 10pm.

Isn't it illegal to broadcast the result of 'exit polls/predictions' or anything other than just an estimate of the turnout whilst the polls are actually open?

Perhaps that's just the BBC rules, although I would imagine Ofcom enforce something similar for commercial channels.


It is definitely illegal to release exit polls before the polls close. One of the many election rules broadcasters have to follow, along with having to list all candidates standing for one seat.

I think the original poster meant that Sky won't know the results of the exit poll until 21.50.
JA
jamesmd
Stuart posted:
Hymagumba posted:
You are under no circumstances going to get a TC1 style setup for the news at Broadcasting House, do you realise how much money TC1 costs to run? Taking into account they have traditionally hid away in N8/N6 at weekends to avoid powering up TC7 to save money and TC7 is one of the smaller studios.

I agree with all your points, Hyma, except the one about not powering up TC7 at weekends to save money.

TC7 is normally used quite alot on Sundays (Andrew Marr & Politics Show), and I always got the impression that perhaps some others programmes for the NC were using it on Saturdays (Straight Talk, Hard Talk et al), and maybe some for World News which we don't see in the UK.


I thought it was the fact that Breakfast (assuming that's what Hyma is referring to) would be more costly to do from TC7 because it's easier to have news channel staff running output from the news channel's studio than to have a Breakfast team assembled to do a full production... kind of like scaling down a West End show into a Fringe venue theatre.

Even though AM/PS come from TC7 on Sundays, they do try and find ways to cut corners (see the set, for example) - again, I think the issue is more manpower than anything else, but happy to be corrected...

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