The Newsroom

GB News

A new TV news network chaired by Andrew Neil

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Ne1L C Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
If it wasn't for Discovery being one of the backers of this set-up and Andrew Neil coming on board, Arise News would have sprung to mind.

I don't share TheSebastian's enthusiasm for the channel catching up with Sky News at least on a linear level. It may make some headway with the target audience online with clips on social media where those who are ardent pro-Brexit and anti-mask have thrived.

However despite who they're targeting, it'll be interesting to see if GB News can make the talkRADIO editorial style of news into the mainstream as competition for Sky News and the NC or if it'll be another RT, where it has a niche audience of anti-establishment and conspiracy theorist viewers who take in the editorial that suits the Russian Government perspective.

If former BBC/ITV regional reporter Anna Brees gets a gig on GB (she's been a guest on RT on occasion), who has rebranded herself as giving herself a voice to those the supposed MSM don't give one too, such as conspiracy theorists (especially anti maskers) and alleged victims of child abuse by celebs or in homes in the 60s/70s/80s, we may get an idea of where they're going. The journalist has also been given a pasting on Private Eye.


So long as a certain youtuber whom I shall henceforth refer to as Voldemort doesn't get a slot then GB News are in with a shout.
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Andrew Founding member Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
If it wasn't for Discovery being one of the backers of this set-up and Andrew Neil coming on board, Arise News would have sprung to mind.

I don't share TheSebastian's enthusiasm for the channel catching up with Sky News at least on a linear level. It may make some headway with the target audience online with clips on social media where those who are ardent pro-Brexit and anti-mask have thrived.

However despite who they're targeting, it'll be interesting to see if GB News can make the talkRADIO editorial style of news into the mainstream as competition for Sky News and the NC or if it'll be another RT, where it has a niche audience of anti-establishment and conspiracy theorist viewers who take in the editorial that suits the Russian Government perspective.

If former BBC/ITV regional reporter Anna Brees gets a gig on GB (she's been a guest on RT on occasion), who has rebranded herself as giving herself a voice to those the supposed MSM don't give one too, such as conspiracy theorists (especially anti maskers) and alleged victims of child abuse by celebs or in homes in the 60s/70s/80s, we may get an idea of where they're going. The journalist has also been given a pasting on Private Eye.


So long as a certain youtuber whom I shall henceforth refer to as Voldemort doesn't get a slot then GB News are in with a shout.

Why even bring him up, you’re obsessed

I’m sure you could shoe horn a mention in every thread, maybe he could get a cameo on Corrie, or do an act on BGT or be really creative and design an ITV ident
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TheSebastian
Absolutely nobody is talking about going bust. But global are a well managed business who will need to dramatically alter their plans to manage debt. Not beyond possibility that they sell LBC on and keep the sales contract perhaps to a new news enterprise..
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Soupnzi Recently warned London London
If it wasn't for Discovery being one of the backers of this set-up and Andrew Neil coming on board, Arise News would have sprung to mind.

I don't share TheSebastian's enthusiasm for the channel catching up with Sky News at least on a linear level. It may make some headway with the target audience online with clips on social media where those who are ardent pro-Brexit and anti-mask have thrived.

However despite who they're targeting, it'll be interesting to see if GB News can make the talkRADIO editorial style of news into the mainstream as competition for Sky News and the NC or if it'll be another RT, where it has a niche audience of anti-establishment and conspiracy theorist viewers who take in the editorial that suits the Russian Government perspective.

If former BBC/ITV regional reporter Anna Brees gets a gig on GB (she's been a guest on RT on occasion), who has rebranded herself as giving herself a voice to those the supposed MSM don't give one too, such as conspiracy theorists (especially anti maskers) and alleged victims of child abuse by celebs or in homes in the 60s/70s/80s, we may get an idea of where they're going. The journalist has also been given a pasting on Private Eye.

This will be a sort of new style ‘news’ channel....though- in a sense- not really as RT has operated in the UK for years.

Crucially, it will still have to adhere to Ofcom rules. Therefore someone like Anna Brees would never be put on air frankly.
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London Lite Founding member London London
Absolutely nobody is talking about going bust. But global are a well managed business who will need to dramatically alter their plans to manage debt. Not beyond possibility that they sell LBC on and keep the sales contract perhaps to a new news enterprise..


Who else would want it? It'd needs to be part of a media group that can heavily subsidise it as commercial speech radio is hard to make money from compared to a FM jukebox station. In any case, without LBC, Global becomes just another factory of music stations with no political influence. LBC is much a vehicle for Global for gaining access to politicians as much as the loss making Sky News is for Sky/Comcast.
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Inspector Sands

Who else would want it? It'd needs to be part of a media group that can heavily subsidise it as commercial speech radio is hard to make money from compared to a FM jukebox station. In any case, without LBC, Global becomes just another factory of music stations with no political influence. LBC is much a vehicle for Global for gaining access to politicians as much as the loss making Sky News is for Sky/Comcast.

Indeed, as I said a few pages back, LBC is only a successful station now because its part of Global. It did fairly well in the 80s (when there was limited competition) but in every other incarnation it has struggled. No-one else would want it or be able to make a go of it

Without Global it's not worth a lot
Last edited by Inspector Sands on 27 September 2020 7:37am
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Inspector Sands
We already know that "GB News" isn't going to be a rolling news channel. The programming is going to be limited to primetime and likely be talk/panel/discussion/opinion formats, perhaps with some traditional bulletins in-between.

If that is the case then I don't see how it's going to work. The existing news channels or the talk radio stations (radio in general in fact) don't do well in the evenings. Linear entertainment TV is still popular and people aren't watching Netflix etc for news coverage and political chatter. And of course in normal times people are out socialising. Audiences are going to be miniscule if its primetime only. Andrew Neil really isn't that big a draw.

Do Russia Today still do a UK specific evening service? I know Al Jazeera toyed with doing one a few years ago.

It sounds like a passion project by someone who thinks this will be a good idea and has convinced people to give him a lot of money to do it
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Absolutely nobody is talking about going bust. But global are a well managed business who will need to dramatically alter their plans to manage debt. Not beyond possibility that they sell LBC on and keep the sales contract perhaps to a new news enterprise..


Why will they need to alter their plans to manage debt? Most of the debt is high interest rates to the Jersey based owners following a group reorganization, and to this cynic is just a way of moving profits out of a taxable regime (the UK) to a tax free regime (Jersey). They have sold the loss making music festival business. The debt in the UK business is just inter-group manoeuvres.
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TheSebastian
RR posted:
Absolutely nobody is talking about going bust. But global are a well managed business who will need to dramatically alter their plans to manage debt. Not beyond possibility that they sell LBC on and keep the sales contract perhaps to a new news enterprise..


Why will they need to alter their plans to manage debt? Most of the debt is high interest rates to the Jersey based owners following a group reorganization, and to this cynic is just a way of moving profits out of a taxable regime (the UK) to a tax free regime (Jersey). They have sold the loss making music festival business. The debt in the UK business is just inter-group manoeuvres.


Telegraph reported £300million is debt to banks. The recent big loss reported was pre pandemic, Global have told staff on the record that it is extremely challanging

So it's no longer a case of profit shifting making 'internal' debt

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/09/26/golden-age-radio-ends-advertising-world-tunes

It's a serious crisis, but manageable by major and successful company like Global. However part of that success is the ability to take hard decisions. So yes, plans will (and are) changing. The fact you can't tell on air is testament to the staffs talent, but make no mistake the behind the scenes cuts are significant and just the start.

Given News launches are attention grabbing investors at the moment, with GB Newstalk, News group, and at least one other Global have a limited time window to sell on LBC at decent value - as it can be a foundation of a TV channel with its visual radio stuff.

Indeed LBC style output in day plus a few news hour type TV shows and the evening opinion talking heads would deliver a cost effective tv/radio /online news business
Last edited by TheSebastian on 27 September 2020 12:18pm
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Spencer Yorkshire Look North (Yorkshire)
There seems to be an assertion here that because LBC is speech-based, it costs a lot more to run than a music-based station like Heart or Capital. Is this really true?

It's not like Radio 4 where they're making lots of long-form documentaries and dramas – and in terms of newsgathering, they're using Global's existing resources for LBC News.

I don't see that James O' Brien sat in a studio taking phone calls is going to cost much more than Kate Garraway sat in a studio playing songs. Clearly a talk show will require a producer to line up callers or interviewees, but I would imagine most, if not all, of Global's networked music shows also have a producer.

Also looking at the cost of the station as a whole, it doesn't have the expense of a whole load of regional bases and programming to fund as is the case for Capital, Smooth and Heart.

There's clearly massive value in terms of kudos and influence for Global owning LBC. I think the notion that they might be selling it seems a bit like TV Forum running away with itself.
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Brekkie Wales Wales Today
Music isn't free either.
Turns out nobody had 2020 vision.
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London Lite Founding member London London
Speech stations have more staff to produce the programmes. Global's main breakfast and drive music shows are also heavily staffed, but off-peak music shows are mainly the presenter who is driving the desk. The music presenter will also come in early to produce the local split links that go out.

LBC in addition to the presenter has a producer, a broadcast assistant who answers the calls whose job it is to check to the calls to see if they're suitable for broadcast and puts them up on the board and there's also a gallery for online, some shows will be streamed online, while others will be recorded and clipped to post on social media. All of that is before you factor in the salaries of the talent, you're not going to get the likes of Eddie Mair on music presenter salaries.

LBC News on the other hand is all by the presenter who drives the desk, updates their copy and is checking news feeds while presenting their shift, although I believe breakfast with Lisa Aziz has a producer.

Going back to Inspector Sands comments about LBC in the past, the sale of the station to Crown Communications and the IBA stipulating that FM/AM could no longer simulcast nearly crippled the station when they decided to provide a ABC1 only product Crown FM on FM, while the popular lighter talk format on AM had more listeners.

LBC also went into administration in 1993 when they lost the licence to Reuters with the latter buying LBC to keep the station afloat until Reuters officially took over the licence in October 1994.
Last edited by London Lite on 27 September 2020 1:23pm
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